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My one major gripe about the PS3 fat/slim models; Besides not having party chat. :P
Topic Started: Sep 21 2009, 09:12 PM (932 Views)
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I just noticed that even though the slim is advertised as 120GB hard drive, and that seems to be a major selling point that you get more hard drive for the money since the fat models have 80GB. Though from poking around and having nothing else on my system except a few game saves, the hard drive available is more so 93-95GB.

Now I'm not stupid, I know, and I knew going in that of course some space is automatically being taken up by requirements needed for the system to run, but why so much?

It always peeved me if systems were advertised with such and such hard drive space but that is not what you are really getting. I wish they would advertise the exact amount that would be available to you from the get go.

So I asked a buddy with the 80GB model and he only has game saves and he says he has about 68GB.

I know the 360 does the same, I have a 120GB model, but I have more saves, and quite a bit of music, and I still have about 105 GB available to me.

So why is it that Sony offers you quite a difference in space?

From the 80GB to the supposed 120GB you really don't get much of an "upgrade" when it comes down to it you only are getting another 15GB or so instead of another 40GB. Now don't get me wrong 95GB of space is still A LOT. I'm glad I'm not that much on putting a bunch of added media, but still I'm a bit peeved by this. It's just always been something that irritates me. Even in computer when they say you are getting 250GB, you're really only getting about 220GB or less.

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they should still be able to advertise as 120 but it should come right out and tell you its not truly 120 its like my 8gig iphone had a hair over six gig and all i had was 3-4 pointless apps its 1/4 of my total memory thats just gone i wish they would have let me know cause i would have plunked down the extra hundred at the time just for more space now in all honesty it might say it somewhere on the package but i didnot look it should be in an obvious spot
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I agree, I only got 13 GBs out of my "20GB" Xbox 360 and I had bout 72 GB out of my "80GB" PS3. It doesn't bother me much asI will be upgrading my Harddrive to 500GB, I like to store a lot of movies and such on my PS3, and I will also be running Linux very soon and will be splitting it in half, kind of off topic but, yeah.
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This is a common problem with almost all hard drives on the market. I bought a 500 GB external hard drive and it only allowed for 475 GB, my Xbox 360 drive is 120 GB but it only allowed for 105 out of the box. I never understood why and even my most "techie" of friends could not account for the discrepancy. It's a real piss-off.
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I'm happy that it seems a bit easier to upgrade the hard drive on the PS3, so it shouldn't be a decision breaker for anyone looking into buying the PS3 or 360 for that matter.

I just wish they would just freakin put the actual space you are getting, I don't think it should be allowed to advertise it as whatever amount of space but definitely not give you that amount. I understand it just makes it that much more alluring..but if you want to do that then actually give what is being written on the box!

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KeeL246
Sep 21 2009, 09:55 PM
I agree, I only got 13 GBs out of my "20GB" Xbox 360 and I had bout 72 GB out of my "80GB" PS3. It doesn't bother me much asI will be upgrading my Harddrive to 500GB, I like to store a lot of movies and such on my PS3, and I will also be running Linux very soon and will be splitting it in half, kind of off topic but, yeah.
The 13 GB on the xbox 360 drive is a little bit different.

Microsoft reserves 5 GB of the space for Xbox compatibility, caching, and system use.

I believe the reason for the actual usable space on the hard drive being different to what is advertised on the side of the box has something to do with the hard drive manufacturers using 1000kb and your computer/console using 1024kb. Thus, the discrepancy.

The usable space is based on binary in which a kilobyte=1024 bytes.

Hope that helps :)
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This is a lawsuit concerning the issue.

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LOS ANGELES -- A group of computer owners has filed a lawsuit against some of the world's biggest makers of personal computers, claiming that their advertising deceptively overstates the true capacity of their hard drives.

The lawsuit, which seeks class action status, was filed earlier this week in Los Angeles Superior Court against Apple Computer, Dell, Gateway, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Sharp, Sony and Toshiba.

The lawsuit brought by Los Angeles residents Lanchau Dan, Adam Selkowitz, Tim Swan and John Zahabian centers on the way computer hard drives are described by manufacturers.

Representatives of the eight defendants were not immediately available to comment.

According to the lawsuit, computer hard drive capacities are described in promotional material in decimal notation, but the computer reads and writes data to the drives in a binary system.

The result is that a hard drive described as being 20 GB would actually have only 18.6 GB of readable capacity, the lawsuit said.

The plaintiffs said this difference in convention is deceptive and leaves buyers with less storage than they thought they were getting when they purchased their computers.

For example, when a consumer buys what he thinks is a 150-GB hard drive, the plaintiffs said, he actually gets only 140 GB of storage space. That missing 10 GB, they claim, could store an extra 2,000 digitized songs or 20,000 pictures.

The lawsuit asks for an injunction against the purportedly unfair marketing practices, an order requiring the defendants to disclose their practices to the public, restitution, disgorgement of ill-gotten profits and attorneys' fees.
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Great article bediger, that's exactly my issue, when I'm buying any electronical gadget that does come with a hard drive I look at that first and than the specs. Just in case you need the space than it is there, the big hard drive space draws many in, but when you get home and say you are missing 15-20GB of space, that's a big difference!

It's just a downer that's all, the PS3 slim is really amped up to greater heights since it has such a big "boost" to space, and oh what a good deal! Not trying to rag on it, it's still a very good deal, now many can get a PS3, but really as I said with a difference of only 15 more GB if that, it shouldn't be promoted as much as it is. Focus on other key points. I know you can upgrade the hard drive so that's great, but many who bought the slim were pumped for this rather large increase..which turned out to not be that large after all.

Well that's my two cents, I love the system, but I just get peeved if any gadget does this.

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they should add extra mem. that is needed and give us what we really buy. how does 13 sell as 20 it's a big rip off.
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i believe my 80 gig. had actually 74 gigs when I hadn't put anything in it.

Not that I don't believe you, but are you sure there aren't just installs on it you didn't notice? Some are pretty big, like RE5.
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i believe my 80 gig. had actually 74 gigs when I hadn't put anything in it.

Not that I don't believe you, but are you sure there aren't just installs on it you didn't notice? Some are pretty big, like RE5.
I'm positive! :D I use to have my PS3 80GB fat version, when I got the slim I literally moved only 6 game saves onto it, I have yet to pop in a game and play it on the slim since I have been too busy, so there is no current game installation on there.

I thought perhaps I did something wrong, so I erased my saves (I have them backed on USB) and that is when I saw that I had only 96GB of space available to me, and that is with absolutely NOTHING on it, I made sure of it just in case.

I mean it's the same deal with the 360, but I have about 5-6GB worth of items on my 360 and I still have a total of 104GB to spare.

It's just unfortunate that the items in the PS3 seems to take up so much space.

When you are getting a difference of almost 25GB of lost space that is QUITE a difference. Therefore I'm still on the boat of why not just state from the get go the exact amount you are getting.

I know pc's, consoles, mp3 players come with OS and what not from the get go and that takes space, but I still find it unnecessary to say you are getting a certain amount when you are really not, they should just include what you are getting after they install what they need on those things.

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