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OT Debate: The View of "Bad" Words
Topic Started: Feb 28 2010, 03:38 PM (1,064 Views)
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I don't cuss a lot and one thing I hate is when people cuss in public in front of children. My ex-girlfriend would cuss almost every 2 minutes at the house or out in public in a store and if it was in a store I would always tell her to stop cussing if children are around. I don't know why but I just think it's disrespectful. Also my friends know I cuss but my mom doesn't and none of my family members do except for my cousins because I don't do it around them. My step-brother knows I cuss and was talking to my mom one day and said something about me cussing and she said "Steven doesn't cuss" and he said "WhaaaT?? you never heard him say anything?"
I honestly can't care about the beliefs of other.

When ever I see a middle eastern girl walking around with her face covered because of their religion, it infuriates me. I'm not sure about you guys, but I've seen the punishment for what happens with the girls who take their veils off, and it's often cleansing by fire.

On top of this, have respect for Christianity? It doesn't have respect for me. Christian push their beliefs on the whole world. They have 0 respect for anyone else's beliefs. Whether it's around the world, or door to door, missionaries go around disrespecting other peoples cultures and belief systems every day.

Oh, and have we forgotten the crusades? Christians going around beheading anyone who isn't christian?

So poor you if I don't respect your belief. The only reason is because your beliefs don't respect mine.
I knew a arabian girl from high school who wore a viel. She was really nice and everything, a good friend of mine and a kid at the zoo called her a ninja. I think they should be able to walk around without it.
Have you ever heard of ritual beheadings? They still go on here in the states.

When a father gets mad at her daughter for doing something, removing veil, talking to non middle eastern boys, ect, the family will remove her head.
The father didn't remove her head and she ended up marrying a gothic boy.
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Mar 3 2010, 11:27 AM
This is a sheer uneducated assumption, but I'm guessing you're a young white male, either American or English. You've probably only heard the word 'nigger' thrown around by young black people, or by immature kids on the Internet. I'm guessing you've never encountered first hand the power, and hatred behind this word. In some social circles, it's become an accepted term. However to many others, they still remember, or still have to experience the power and hatred behind the word.
Yeah, that's funny.

I live in Florida, where racism is a big problem.

Stop being presumptuous.
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The father didn't remove her head and she ended up marrying a gothic boy.
I'm not saying that it's always the case, but I am saying that religion teaches hatred.

From the bible calling homosexuals abominations, to the Koran teaching death to infidels.
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Nice, you're going to brush off my entire comment and try and discount it on my self acknowledged assumption.

Pretty obvious you're set in your own ways... B-)
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Man....how did a topic about cursing turn into a religious war thread?? You guys are going to start throwing flaming spears at one another in a minute :)
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Blasphemy was mentioned...

Yeah, this should probably get back to the point of swear words, there is already a "Whats your faith?" thread.

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Swear words should never exist...they are words and are made to insult and are yet frowned upon.
They are meanings to other words you wouldn't consider too bad if a child shouted them out:
Fuck = Intercourse
Shit = poo
Piss = Urine
Wanker = masturbater
cock = Penis

Urinate off you intercoursing masturbater!!!
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Mar 3 2010, 11:27 AM
Religion isn't the leading cause for murder, it's simply an excuse used by evil fanatics who wish to force their own power onto others. If you really wanted to go down this route, it's money that's the greater killer. Be it territory, oil or other. But we're going off topic.

As with all words, swearing is a form of expression, traditionally used in situations that warranted a strong exemplification, or were used to describe things of an unpleasant, or adult nature. They traditionally didn't have a place in day-to-day life. However as time goes on, and times change, people have become sort of 'desensitised' to swearing, and it's become a bit more socially acceptable to use them in normal, everyday situations. This in turn desensitises people further... And it becomes a commonly used crutch in some peoples vocabularies. As with most things however, this doesn't apply to everyone, and there are plenty of people that chose not to frequently use these words. Hence, in these social circles, using them is less acceptable.

This is a sheer uneducated assumption, but I'm guessing you're a young white male, either American or English. You've probably only heard the word 'nigger' thrown around by young black people, or by immature kids on the Internet. I'm guessing you've never encountered first hand the power, and hatred behind this word. In some social circles, it's become an accepted term. However to many others, they still remember, or still have to experience the power and hatred behind the word.

It all comes down to acceptance. You have a certain acceptance of these words, and others will have a difference in acceptance. An understanding of this isn't necessary, but an acceptance would be just dandy ;)
That was the best, most well thought out response I've read in a long time.

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Mar 3 2010, 03:01 PM
Swear words should never exist...they are words and are made to insult and are yet frowned upon.
They are meanings to other words you wouldn't consider too bad if a child shouted them out:
Fuck = Intercourse
Shit = poo
Piss = Urine
Wanker = masturbater
cock = Penis

Urinate off you intercoursing masturbater!!!
Haha, so true, that is really what it comes down to. I have no idea how these words have turned into the frowned-upon words they are today. It is a strange transformation, if you ask me.
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I don't cuss a lot and one thing I hate is when people cuss in public in front of children. My ex-girlfriend would cuss almost every 2 minutes at the house or out in public in a store and if it was in a store I would always tell her to stop cussing if children are around. I don't know why but I just think it's disrespectful. Also my friends know I cuss but my mom doesn't and none of my family members do except for my cousins because I don't do it around them. My step-brother knows I cuss and was talking to my mom one day and said something about me cussing and she said "Steven doesn't cuss" and he said "WhaaaT?? you never heard him say anything?"
I honestly can't care about the beliefs of other.

When ever I see a middle eastern girl walking around with her face covered because of their religion, it infuriates me. I'm not sure about you guys, but I've seen the punishment for what happens with the girls who take their veils off, and it's often cleansing by fire.

On top of this, have respect for Christianity? It doesn't have respect for me. Christian push their beliefs on the whole world. They have 0 respect for anyone else's beliefs. Whether it's around the world, or door to door, missionaries go around disrespecting other peoples cultures and belief systems every day.

Oh, and have we forgotten the crusades? Christians going around beheading anyone who isn't christian?

So poor you if I don't respect your belief. The only reason is because your beliefs don't respect mine.
Why are you turning this into a religious argument? If you don't care about the beliefs of others then so be it, it's your choice. But you know what that makes you? A bigot. You know, I don't really care about your beliefs either, if you want it to be that way, and I think none in this forum does, so why are you saying all these stuff? Just to piss us off or make yourself look like a smart tough intellectual? The difference between you not caring about other people's beliefs and us not caring about your belief, is, well, we don't think that we're better than anyone and we don't look down to other people based on their religion or their tradition.

Back on topic, yeah, you really haven't offered any 'intellectual' argument to your views on cussing.
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Mar 3 2010, 08:13 PM


Back on topic, yeah, you really haven't offered any 'intellectual' argument to your views on cussing.
My "intellectual" views on cussing are simple.

Bad words are truly nonexistent. I've heard the argument that people can use it as a crutch to not learn new vocabulary, but people will do that anyway. With the advent of the internet, and "leet speak", it's a common occurrence.

What it really comes down to is this: Why does it matter?

To be honest humans have only lived here for a brief amount of time in the first place, so in the grand scheme of things "bad words" are useless. Just random noises coming out of our feeding holes.

Oh, and I know you guys can't handle that I don't like other religions, but so be it. If I feel it's nothing but superstitions carried on by humans with self prescribed self importance, then that's that.
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You're missing the point entirely.

Words by themselves mean absolutely nothing. By that much, you're correct. Just an assortment of letters in a particular order. However, these particular words invoke different understandings and feelings in different people.

Even within the English language a single word can have two very different meanings, depending on region and different societies. If I were to ask person A if I could 'bum a fag' - they may give me a cigerette. If I were to ask person B, they may back away slowly. ;) Two very different understandings of the same word.

Just because you see particular words as empty insults, or because certain words have lost their power of emphasis through regular use, doesn't mean the same applies for everyone else. You just gotta move on and accept this lad, different folks, different strokes.

Incidentally, for the record I'm 100% free of any religious belief. I'll respect your views just as much as I would of a Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu etc etc. Just because you believe something to be true, or false, doesn't mean that's the case. All the world needs is a little bit more understanding, or dare I say it Acceptance.


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It ultimately depends on the sensitivity of the person the words are directed at. The other night, I told my girlfriend jokingly to "fuck off" when she said I messed something up. It was obviously done in a playful and joking way and she took absolutely no offense to it. Another people might be totally put off by that.

Blasphemy and "taking the lord's name in vain" is something people in our culture seem less offended by these days, save for those fanatical religious types that get squamish around anyone who dares challenge their beliefs. But I am also reminded of the Danish cartoon scandal that had the muslim world up in arms, so I guess some are more sensitive than others.
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Mar 4 2010, 03:00 AM
You're missing the point entirely.

Words by themselves mean absolutely nothing. By that much, you're correct. Just an assortment of letters in a particular order. However, these particular words invoke different understandings and feelings in different people.

Even within the English language a single word can have two very different meanings, depending on region and different societies. If I were to ask person A if I could 'bum a fag' - they may give me a cigerette. If I were to ask person B, they may back away slowly. ;) Two very different understandings of the same word.

Just because you see particular words as empty insults, or because certain words have lost their power of emphasis through regular use, doesn't mean the same applies for everyone else. You just gotta move on and accept this lad, different folks, different strokes.



I understand that "bad words" can have an implied meaning, but even without the ones we have people can twist and turn new words into "bad words"

I guess my point is this: If we started to treat "bad words" lightly, then they wouldn't be so bad. We are giving these words more weight by freaking out about them.

Oh, and for the record, I don't cuss at all.
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Incidentally, for the record I'm 100% free of any religious belief. I'll respect your views just as much as I would of a Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu etc etc. Just because you believe something to be true, or false, doesn't mean that's the case. All the world needs is a little bit more understanding, or dare I say it Acceptance.


I'm not going to run around converting people to my nonbeliefs.

Do you feel that Christian missionaries are respecting the beliefs of the countries they visit?

What about those who read the Koran to find that all infidels are to be killed?

I'm sorry, but whenever I read religion, bigotry can be found.

Let me ask you something, do you find it okay that the bible states that all homosexuals are abominations?

I end this with a bible verse:

Deuteronomy 25:11-12

If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.
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This is quite the debate you guys have going on here...

From my perspective, there are two types of people who follow religion; those who wish to live their own lives by the teachings and practices of whatever faith they choose to follow, and those who feel that their faith is supreme and anyone rejecting it is not worthy of equality and respect. It is the latter that breeds bigotry, violence and intolerance.

I have a few friends who are devout followers of Islam and they feel that those who use it to justify terrorism and violence are criminals, as are those who practice the more oppressive elements of the faith such as Sharia law, poor treatment of women and the integration of Mosque and state. The Similarly, I have gay friends who follow Christianity despite the view of some that it is immoral, unnatural, blasphemous, etc. In short, religion has different interpretations and can be applied (or twisted) by the individual to meet their own ends. Being of a particular faith does not automatically mean that one adheres to all practices and beliefs, good or bad.
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It ultimately depends on the sensitivity of the person the words are directed at. The other night, I told my girlfriend jokingly to "fuck off" when she said I messed something up. It was obviously done in a playful and joking way and she took absolutely no offense to it. Another people might be totally put off by that.

Blasphemy and "taking the lord's name in vain" is something people in our culture seem less offended by these days, save for those fanatical religious types that get squamish around anyone who dares challenge their beliefs. But I am also reminded of the Danish cartoon scandal that had the muslim world up in arms, so I guess some are more sensitive than others.
Yeah, I think I kinda over-react on the whole religious cursing thing.
I believe it's a sin and should be avoided, but it's not a huge deal when it comes to being offensive. Something like that, I think, is something that can only hurt yourself if that's your belief. As you said, though, some are more sensitive than others.
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I'm going to make my first post in a long time. Glad we're having some heated debates in here now :P I don't game much at all anymore so when I visit the gaming forums I go to the off-topic section looking for some interesting topics. I still wish we had a debate section. Oh well.

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