Scott

Mar 22 2010, 09:08 AM

Putting my two cents in, I think that socialized medicine is a horrible idea.

In Canada, where there is socialized medicine, it takes years to get a vital surgery, and it takes months to schedule an appointment. Do you hate waiting in the waiting room for an hour to people to get done with their appointments, while waiting for yours? Try waiting for 4 hours. This is the average waiting time for Canadians.

Obama says that it is completely optional and that if you don't want to take part in it, you don't have to. He is right, but do you really think that there will be any normal doctors after the bill is passed? Every doctor will switch over to socialized work, because the government would pay much more than anyone else.

Now for the costs. Has anyone else noticed how Obama has been going on a spending spree? He has spent thousands on trips around the world, trillions on stimuli, and billions on training and sending soldiers to Iraq. Can america even afford socialized medicine? The poor and old are obviously the ones that will use this the most, but who will be paying their bill? That's right, the taxpayers. The rich and middle classes will be paying for stranger's bills, even if they didn't want this kind of health care to begin with!

Almost half of Canadian doctors say they're burned out, emotionally and physically, and blame medicine for putting a drain on their family life. With this in mind, potential doctors will look for other jobs, causing a lower supply of doctors. What will the government do? They will most likely pay the doctors even more to try and convince new doctors to work. This means that the taxpayers get to pay even more to help out the poor and old. It's like mandatory charity!

Direngrey911

Mar 22 2010, 06:03 PM

I have a feeling this topic was a bad idea lol

FisHeaD

Mar 23 2010, 11:00 AM

By the look of the content on Michael Moore's 'Sicko', (Which is very biased in my view) the insurance companies which you rely on seems to be terrible. They are money grabbing companies that put you last. I'm sure some of the cases in the film are justified but they don't look on the other side of the arguement.
Paying for your ambulance to transport you? Ridiculous.
The NHS system here seems good compared to nearly every other system I've looked at in college. The NHS isn't perfect but probably the closest thing.The waiting time is a small price to pay compared to the amount of money you would have to owe. The most severe cases get checked first and are priority so don't complain because remember who's paying for it!
I got my fingers caught in the car boot a year ago and still had to wait for a boy with a major head injury who came in after me in A&E.

browland1

Mar 22 2010, 09:33 AM

I am Canadian and I have had no problems with my health care. My appointments are always speedy, I have never had to wait for lengthy periods to see a specialist, and best of all, I don't need to pay for any of my vital health care needs. Mind you, I am pretty healthy and I rarely need medical care outside of physicals and yearly cardiologist visits. The only problem I have is having to wait for lengthy periods of time in the ER, which has thankfully only been a few times. When I sliced my hand with a knife (I jabbed myself opening an Xbox 360 game), I had to go to get stitches and I waited for 5 hours. But in an ER, the most critical cases need to be dealt with first and I didn't mind so much. I would rather wait for a few hours as opposed to being stuck with a massive bill after getting care.

Canada's healthcare system is not perfect, certainly it's not the utopia that Michael Moore portrayed in Sicko, but I don't agree with the idea that health care is only for those who can afford it. I think we have a good system in Canada.

XxKomebackKidxX

Mar 23 2010, 09:46 PM

browland1

Mar 22 2010, 09:33 AM

I am Canadian and I have had no problems with my health care. My appointments are always speedy, I have never had to wait for lengthy periods to see a specialist, and best of all, I don't need to pay for any of my vital health care needs. Mind you, I am pretty healthy and I rarely need medical care outside of physicals and yearly cardiologist visits. The only problem I have is having to wait for lengthy periods of time in the ER, which has thankfully only been a few times. When I sliced my hand with a knife (I jabbed myself opening an Xbox 360 game), I had to go to get stitches and I waited for 5 hours. But in an ER, the most critical cases need to be dealt with first and I didn't mind so much. I would rather wait for a few hours as opposed to being stuck with a massive bill after getting care.

Canada's healthcare system is not perfect, certainly it's not the utopia that Michael Moore portrayed in Sicko, but I don't agree with the idea that health care is only for those who can afford it. I think we have a good system in Canada.

lol what game was it you cut your hand on by chance? It better have been good.

Draven26

Mar 24 2010, 11:17 AM

In theory I like the idea, however there are elements of the bill I am not a fan of. I should not have to pay a fine if I dont want health insurance. And with the bill the way it is currently written I would have to. Another element I think is a bad idea is making any business owner that has 50 or more employees required to pay for all his/her employees health insurance...I fear that will run many companies out of business and leave less jobs overall

Draven26

Mar 24 2010, 11:17 AM

In theory I like the idea, however there are elements of the bill I am not a fan of. I should not have to pay a fine if I dont want health insurance...

Direngrey911

Mar 23 2010, 11:40 AM

FisHeaD

Mar 23 2010, 11:00 AM

By the look of the content on Michael Moore's 'Sicko', (Which is very biased in my view) the insurance companies which you rely on seems to be terrible. They are money grabbing companies that put you last. I'm sure some of the cases in the film are justified but they don't look on the other side of the arguement.
Paying for your ambulance to transport you? Ridiculous.
The NHS system here seems good compared to nearly every other system I've looked at in college. The NHS isn't perfect but probably the closest thing.The waiting time is a small price to pay compared to the amount of money you would have to owe. The most severe cases get checked first and are priority so don't complain because remember who's paying for it!
I got my fingers caught in the car boot a year ago and still had to wait for a boy with a major head injury who came in after me in A&E.

whoa whoa waiiiiit
Did you just say you took Michael Moore seriously?
Dude, you know how easy you can twist events around and call them "fact"?

That guy isn't even worth wasting time over...

BoBeHoBe

Mar 24 2010, 03:33 PM

Wow.. You guys are way off-topic....

I think this bill is gonna screw alot of people up.

FisHeaD

Mar 24 2010, 03:43 PM

BoBeHoBe

Mar 24 2010, 03:33 PM

Wow.. You guys are way off-topic....

I think this bill is gonna screw alot of people up.

because.....

The gun discussion is interesting even though I don't live in America or Canada there should be a thread on it...I'm going off topic (sorry).

FisHeaD

Mar 24 2010, 03:25 PM

Direngrey911

Mar 23 2010, 11:40 AM

FisHeaD

Mar 23 2010, 11:00 AM

By the look of the content on Michael Moore's 'Sicko', (Which is very biased in my view) the insurance companies which you rely on seems to be terrible. They are money grabbing companies that put you last. I'm sure some of the cases in the film are justified but they don't look on the other side of the arguement.
Paying for your ambulance to transport you? Ridiculous.
The NHS system here seems good compared to nearly every other system I've looked at in college. The NHS isn't perfect but probably the closest thing.The waiting time is a small price to pay compared to the amount of money you would have to owe. The most severe cases get checked first and are priority so don't complain because remember who's paying for it!
I got my fingers caught in the car boot a year ago and still had to wait for a boy with a major head injury who came in after me in A&E.

whoa whoa waiiiiit
Did you just say you took Michael Moore seriously?
Dude, you know how easy you can twist events around and call them "fact"?

That guy isn't even worth wasting time over...

err...No. Where did I say that or even hint it?

I know he chooses the worst cases and makes it seem like it happens to everyone but the stuff about the insurance companies checking your health history in order to cancel the insurance is true.

stratamaster78

Mar 24 2010, 06:54 PM

I'm for anything that makes the U.S. more like Canada...I mean don't get me wrong.... I am proud to have been born and raised here as opposed to other countries. But we as a nation (U.S) are the most hated country in the world for a reason. We are arrogant and stick our noses in other peoples business too much. We have no idea how to provide proper health care and obviously don't know how to budget our finances. We are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt....and we just keep on 'writing checks'. Maybe we could learn some things from our great neighbors from the north. I love Canada and Canadians...I might even move there if things don't get better here soon.

NostalgiaKing

Mar 22 2010, 12:31 AM

I'm ashamed.

zZoDiiAC

Mar 24 2010, 09:24 PM

NostalgiaKing

Mar 22 2010, 12:31 AM

I'm ashamed.

agree