Boneyards1989

Jun 1 2010, 09:46 PM

Yoshinori Kitase has said it will take ten times as long to make as the original took, (so 40 years he's saying) if you want to mark your calendar for 2050 then feel free to do so, at least when it does come out it'll kill the time while you're waiting to die.

eSkilliam

Jun 1 2010, 10:56 PM

Boneyards1989

Jun 1 2010, 09:46 PM

Yoshinori Kitase has said it will take ten times as long to make as the original took, (so 40 years he's saying) if you want to mark your calendar for 2050 then feel free to do so, at least when it does come out it'll kill the time while you're waiting to die.

10 times as long... Well seeing as every few years they are pumping out a new final fantasy that has just as much programming and story development involved, and everything needed for a remake is already done and accessible by these guys except the graphics... I would say that is them skirting the question because they aren't planning on re-doing it... It's not hard to port a game to a newer system for these companies, but that long? just to redo the graphics? I highly doubt it.

hooflung128

Jun 3 2010, 12:44 PM

eSkilliam

Jun 1 2010, 10:56 PM

Boneyards1989

Jun 1 2010, 09:46 PM

Yoshinori Kitase has said it will take ten times as long to make as the original took, (so 40 years he's saying) if you want to mark your calendar for 2050 then feel free to do so, at least when it does come out it'll kill the time while you're waiting to die.

10 times as long... Well seeing as every few years they are pumping out a new final fantasy that has just as much programming and story development involved, and everything needed for a remake is already done and accessible by these guys except the graphics... I would say that is them skirting the question because they aren't planning on re-doing it... It's not hard to port a game to a newer system for these companies, but that long? just to redo the graphics? I highly doubt it.

Completely agree. It is almost insulting for him to say something like this unless what he has in his mind simply isn't capable of becoming reality at this point and after seeing FF13 and Demon's Souls on the PS3 I doubt he has anything in his mind that could rival those games for FFVII.

Boneyards1989

Jun 3 2010, 01:28 PM

hooflung128

Jun 3 2010, 12:44 PM

eSkilliam

Jun 1 2010, 10:56 PM

Boneyards1989

Jun 1 2010, 09:46 PM

Yoshinori Kitase has said it will take ten times as long to make as the original took, (so 40 years he's saying) if you want to mark your calendar for 2050 then feel free to do so, at least when it does come out it'll kill the time while you're waiting to die.

10 times as long... Well seeing as every few years they are pumping out a new final fantasy that has just as much programming and story development involved, and everything needed for a remake is already done and accessible by these guys except the graphics... I would say that is them skirting the question because they aren't planning on re-doing it... It's not hard to port a game to a newer system for these companies, but that long? just to redo the graphics? I highly doubt it.

Completely agree. It is almost insulting for him to say something like this unless what he has in his mind simply isn't capable of becoming reality at this point and after seeing FF13 and Demon's Souls on the PS3 I doubt he has anything in his mind that could rival those games for FFVII.

I don't think they could pull it off without Sakaguchi anyways lol. Look at the crap that they've been releasing since he left.

eSkilliam

Jun 3 2010, 02:08 PM

Why couldn't they use the engine it ran on? And even if they did have to use another engine, it would be done as well, and all they would have to do is plug in art music and backstory... I'm just saying that like 40 years is so far fetched it's not even funny.

hooflung128

Jun 3 2010, 02:42 PM

eSkilliam

Jun 3 2010, 02:08 PM

Why couldn't they use the engine it ran on? And even if they did have to use another engine, it would be done as well, and all they would have to do is plug in art music and backstory... I'm just saying that like 40 years is so far fetched it's not even funny.

Because a game engine is based on mathmatical calculations that are stored in specific data structures. In game programming these data structures are usually called vertices. When a company releases a game platform it is nothing more than a sophisticated graphing calculator and it is limited by what it data structures it can store and operate on at one time.

What you see on the screen is limited to the type of data structures it can hold in memory at any specific moment. Limitations in technology are hard coded into data structures and the algorithms that work on those structures. The render engine has to exist in memory too and the juggling of these resources is the magic that makes games happen on the screen.

PSN PS1 games are not ports. They are the ISOs of the original games with extra code added to it so it can play on unintended media. The PS3 and PSP run an emulator in software that implements all the original PS1 API's in software. The PS2 actually has a PS1 processor inside it.

So it is not as simple as plugging in new art assets. It does need a new engine. But you are 100% correct when talking about the time frame. No way would it take 40 years, that is pure developer hyperbole. Square Enix already has one of the fastest to-market, day-and-date development kits known to man, Unreal Engine 3. They just don't have the expertise in tweaking it for consoles, but they have some pretty impressive art assets within that environment.

They could make the game in a year and a half since the game is essentially done. I think the Developer wants something epic on the scale of Final Fantasy 14 graphics... and that is rediculous... the game isn't that good to warrant something over the top.

hooflung128

Jun 3 2010, 02:42 PM

eSkilliam

Jun 3 2010, 02:08 PM

Why couldn't they use the engine it ran on? And even if they did have to use another engine, it would be done as well, and all they would have to do is plug in art music and backstory... I'm just saying that like 40 years is so far fetched it's not even funny.

Because a game engine is based on mathmatical calculations that are stored in specific data structures. In game programming these data structures are usually called vertices. When a company releases a game platform it is nothing more than a sophisticated graphing calculator and it is limited by what it data structures it can store and operate on at one time.

What you see on the screen is limited to the type of data structures it can hold in memory at any specific moment. Limitations in technology are hard coded into data structures and the algorithms that work on those structures. The render engine has to exist in memory too and the juggling of these resources is the magic that makes games happen on the screen.

PSN PS1 games are not ports. They are the ISOs of the original games with extra code added to it so it can play on unintended media. The PS3 and PSP run an emulator in software that implements all the original PS1 API's in software. The PS2 actually has a PS1 processor inside it.

So it is not as simple as plugging in new art assets. It does need a new engine. But you are 100% correct when talking about the time frame. No way would it take 40 years, that is pure developer hyperbole. Square Enix already has one of the fastest to-market, day-and-date development kits known to man, Unreal Engine 3. They just don't have the expertise in tweaking it for consoles, but they have some pretty impressive art assets within that environment.

They could make the game in a year and a half since the game is essentially done. I think the Developer wants something epic on the scale of Final Fantasy 14 graphics... and that is rediculous... the game isn't that good to warrant something over the top.

eSkilliam

Jun 3 2010, 05:38 PM

Well, all the backgrounds were still pictures, so a 3D engine wouldn't be needed... they could take the games original engine, recompile it on the PS3 compilers and only have to change out a few libraries, the backgrounds should be able to be swapped out easily for higher res, and include newer compiler libraries for the graphics which should take care of most of that work, the story and gameplay algorithms could stay the same probably exactly, and update the still graphics for those in the same way, and all they would have to reprogram is the handling of the character models. And make new character models... I'm just saying, I don't think it would be that hard to port all of the game but the graphics and character models, and just reprogram those portions.

eSkilliam

Jun 3 2010, 05:38 PM

Well, all the backgrounds were still pictures, so a 3D engine wouldn't be needed... they could take the games original engine, recompile it on the PS3 compilers and only have to change out a few libraries, the backgrounds should be able to be swapped out easily for higher res, and include newer compiler libraries for the graphics which should take care of most of that work, the story and gameplay algorithms could stay the same probably exactly, and update the still graphics for those in the same way, and all they would have to reprogram is the handling of the character models. And make new character models... I'm just saying, I don't think it would be that hard to port all of the game but the graphics and character models, and just reprogram those portions.

Boneyards1989

Jun 3 2010, 08:00 PM

eSkilliam

Jun 3 2010, 05:38 PM

Well, all the backgrounds were still pictures, so a 3D engine wouldn't be needed... they could take the games original engine, recompile it on the PS3 compilers and only have to change out a few libraries, the backgrounds should be able to be swapped out easily for higher res, and include newer compiler libraries for the graphics which should take care of most of that work, the story and gameplay algorithms could stay the same probably exactly, and update the still graphics for those in the same way, and all they would have to reprogram is the handling of the character models. And make new character models... I'm just saying, I don't think it would be that hard to port all of the game but the graphics and character models, and just reprogram those portions.

But that's not what they were proposing to do though, you're suggesting a HD enhanced res version of the game. They want to make a complete over haul, ie FFXIII graphics, what would be the point in just doing a high res version of the original ? They would lose money on it.

Richard

Jun 3 2010, 11:27 PM

I don't care anymore. If this topic had been made a few years ago it would be a big deal for me, but honestly it has been too long now that all my hype or anticipation is gone. If they don't make it; I DON'T CARE AT ALL. If they do, I will buy it probably day 1 without a doubt but it doesn't matter to me anymore.