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Episode 8: Games We Can't Wait To Play This Year; Discuss this episode here
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This week we are joined by Ed "RetroGamer3" to discuss upcoming games for the rest of September and October that we can't wait to get our hands on and play! We come to realize just how many blockbuster titles are coming out in such a short time. Find out which are our most anticipated and which titles have failed to peak our interest. We will be covering November and into 2011 in the next part coming up before the end of October.
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I really like the episode so far. I've listened to the first thirty minutes, and it seems to be flowing pretty well. Is Jason Heine going to be a regular on the show? It makes sense that he would be if he is producing the show, and he's well spoken. It did seem weird that he started the episode, but it could be a good idea to have him as sort of a host. Some of the earlier episodes seemed to drag on a bit, and having a host position could keep a flow going. If he is going to be on the show permanently, it would be cool to have his name added to the intro.
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No Oddjob in Goldeneye is beyond house rules at this point, it's pretty much an unwritten rule lol. That little bastard.
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I was trying so hard not to crack up out loud listening to the Gran Turismo 5 part at work lol
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Sep 23 2010, 09:59 AM
No Oddjob in Goldeneye is beyond house rules at this point, it's pretty much an unwritten rule lol. That little bastard.
It's funny because when I used to play the game as a kid with my friends, one of them ALWAYS used Oddjob and said he was at a disadvantage because he was easier to get a headshot on...if only I knew :) I still owned him though lol.
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ENjoying this week's episode so far, really like the improved quality over older episodes, also this is directed to Happy Console Gamer, i saw you when i went to Game Deals in summer, i came up to vancouver to see friends, and wanted to check out GameDeals, and you were on the couch but left before i could say hello. I ended up spending over $200 in there lol. Would be really cool to come up next year for PAX and hang out with you guys, hopefully Pete could make it too.

On a side note i'm from Barbados, pretty far away, never had arcades down here, and no Neo Geo or Turbo Grafx. You guys are awesome! Keep up the good work! :)
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I'm only maybe 40 minutes into the podcast so far, but I've already cringed a few times... Dead Space: Ignition, the game Gamester mentioned, is not a port of the Wii Dead Space game. That game was Dead Space: Extraction, which is in fact being ported to the PS3 (but not the 360). Ignition is not an on-rails shooter; it's something completely different.

Also when you were bashing on Sonic Adventure's low review scores, Gamester said "If they ported the first Soul Calibur, everyone would give it a great score." That game actually did get ported to XBLA, and it received decent scores.

Anyways, I'm still enjoying the episode.
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I really love how this episode was for the most part unedited. It was raw and shows how you guys really are on a personal level. My favorite episode so far was episode 6 with blkdog7, just because he (blkdog7) was upfront and just himself. Now episode 8 is my favorite by far and I believe its due to the unedited rawness of it. I laughed so much but not in a bad way, it was great. I don't know what made the change to not edit but its perfect, Keep it up!!
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Pete you were kind of obnoxious in this episode. And it wasn't a typo, it actually is Time Crisis Razing storm, not Raging.

Nice to hear you guys talk about current gen.
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Big fan of you guys and your show. Great episode for the most part...

But come on guys, the whining about bad Sonic Adventure reviews was really annoying. You sounded like wounded fanboys.

Not a single reviewer has given the game a positive review so far, and rather than accept that maybe the game hasn't held up so well, or consider that maybe your opinion isn't that of the majority on this particular subject (and that's okay!), you basically call into question the ethics and professionalism of everyone who reviewed it. The only review I read was Arthur Gies' IGN review. He worded his arguments against the game well. You guys whined and moaned and scoffed at the idea that something could ever age poorly... which is pretty ridiculous.

I really like the conversations you guys have. This brief moment of childishness just surprised me, and bummed me out a bit.

I hate to register to post, just to complain. It was a great show otherwise. I'm glad Jason appears to be a regular now. It sounded before like he'd only be appearing occasionally. I've always wanted to start a Turbografx collection, and your turbo episode pushed me over the edge. Thanks for that. Keep up the good work.
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Let me tell you all a story about Sonic Adventure.

I've always loved Sonic games, the ones on the Genesis are some of my favorite games ever. Heck, I even enjoy Knuckles Chotix on the 32X. When the Dreamcast came out I would go to the store and play the demo for Sonic Adventure over and over. I wanted that game so bad, I thought it was great. However the Dreamcast was canceled before I could get one. Finally Sonic Adventure 2 came out on the Gamecube, and I loved that game. To this day that is still one of my favorites. When I saw Sonic Adventure DX in Nintendo Power I was super excited, I was finally going to get the game that I had wanted to play for years. When I got the game I couldn't wait to get home and play it, however when I finally did play it I was horribly disappointed. The story was worse than SA2's, the camera was broken, the animation was stiff, the hub worlds were boring, and other than a few of the Sonic levels the gameplay was terrible.

For years I just assumed that the Gamecube had gotten a bad port, I mean there was no way that the awesome Dreamcast game I had played the demo of years before could be bad. Well, about a year ago I finally got a copy of the Dreamcast version. I was sad to find that the Gamecube version was actually better in every way than the original.

So I guess where I'm going with this is that I don't think Sonic Adventure was ever a very good game, I think we were all just blinded by how good it looked, and how it was Sonic in 3D. Perhaps the only reason I noticed it was because I first played it years after the original came out, and by that time there were better looking games. The point is, Sonic Adventure aged poorly not because of the graphics, but because the gameplay was never very good to begin with. We just all really wanted the game to be good, so we overlooked some things.
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Sep 23 2010, 10:15 PM

So I guess where I'm going with this is that I don't think Sonic Adventure was ever a very good game, I think we were all just blinded by how good it looked, and how it was Sonic in 3D. Perhaps the only reason I noticed it was because I first played it years after the original came out, and by that time there were better looking games. The point is, Sonic Adventure aged poorly not because of the graphics, but because the gameplay was never very good to begin with. We just all really wanted the game to be good, so we overlooked some things.
You said that very well!
Exactly!
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Sep 23 2010, 08:03 PM
Big fan of you guys and your show. Great episode for the most part...

But come on guys, the whining about bad Sonic Adventure reviews was really annoying. You sounded like wounded fanboys.

Not a single reviewer has given the game a positive review so far, and rather than accept that maybe the game hasn't held up so well, or consider that maybe your opinion isn't that of the majority on this particular subject (and that's okay!), you basically call into question the ethics and professionalism of everyone who reviewed it. The only review I read was Arthur Gies' IGN review. He worded his arguments against the game well. You guys whined and moaned and scoffed at the idea that something could ever age poorly... which is pretty ridiculous.

I really like the conversations you guys have. This brief moment of childishness just surprised me, and bummed me out a bit.

I hate to register to post, just to complain. It was a great show otherwise. I'm glad Jason appears to be a regular now. It sounded before like he'd only be appearing occasionally. I've always wanted to start a Turbografx collection, and your turbo episode pushed me over the edge. Thanks for that. Keep up the good work.
I think it is very important to analyse why mainstream reveiwers "dis" certain games and give un-ending praise to others. I don't think it is "fanboyism", which is just a made up word to discredit the people who know and genuinely care about the games.
I've seen this alot in gaming. Check things out for yourself, professional reviewers aren't the same as enthusiasts. I trust the enthusiasts like these guys; they have noting to lose unlike those who have to answer to some hidden commercial interest. Anyway, I enjoyed the podcast!
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I'm thinking in respect to Sonic Adventure IGN means by "it doesn't age well" in that in that if released as a new game (which in porting to XBLA it is) compared to other games on the market it doesn't hold up well. Even if it is a classic, its still an early 3-D game it has all the glitches that 3-D Sonic games had but for the time it was bearable. But after 3D games particularly in the camera department got better the flaws in Sonic Adventure became more apparent. Some games don't keep up with the times, i find early 3-D Games like Mario 64 or Zelda tend to fare better not because of "favoritism" but because of the camera and the gameplay was very refined. I find every new Sonic game since Adventure 2 up to Sonic 06' has been the same gameplay, different place different graphics and even Pete has said the new ones aren't that good. But the gameplay in some of those are the same as in Sonic Adventure.

Also guys, reviews are just opinions i am actually of the opinion that Scores on reviews are stupid, cause people always focus on the score which is sad. Some people are persuaded not to buy a game they are really interested in buying because of reading bad reviews. Lots of games that i'm interested haven't gotten good scores like Black Light: Tango Down, Nier and Singularity you gotta do the research on the game yourself and form your own opinion and not let other people form one for you.
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I agree Hutch, It's not just about Sonic Adventure. A case in point. (dating myself here) Herzog Zwei for the Sega Genesis--it got awful scores in Electronic Gaming Monthly back in the day. The editors just didn't understand what they were playing at the time! Now, this game is highly regarded as the first Real Time Stradegy game on a home console. I remember my PC gamer friends having fits over it, but hey, it got low scores, right?
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People are really making a big deal out of what was said about Sonic Adventures.
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LOL! For real, I'm not the biggest Sonic fan, but I don't understand why the game media totally craps on anything that says "Sonic" in the title. I just think it's really interesting. Really, are they really THAT bad?
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Oh hey, something i noticed last time you guys talked about Rock Band 3, Gamester81 expressed interest in PowerGig and their Guitar replica, well Rock Band 3 has a guitar that works with the game but is a real guitar, i mean six-string, plug into an amp, real guitar made of wood and made by Fender. However it has a sensor on the strings (not sure how it works) so you can play the game with it, and with PRO mode it teaches you how to play the song. So you could play the game learn a song, then play it for real. Here is some more info. on the real guitar; http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/16/rock-band-3-squier-stratocaster-plays-both-real-and-virtual-guit/ (The reason why he keeps missing notes is beacuse the setting is on easy and he's playing all the notes that aren't charted on easy.) Next time you guys talk about Rock Band 3, you guys should mention this, i am really excited about Rock Band 3 because it doubles as a game and a Real Music tutorial.

Also Pete, if your interested in learning to play piano/keyboard for real, i wouldn't go with the Rock Band 3 Keytar, try getting a MIDI Keyboard that is better quality, cause there is MIDI converter for RB3 that allows the use of Real Keyboards and real electronic drum kits in the game. Do some research if you like, but here is one i would recommend: http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Axiom-25-Controller-2nd/dp/B003V34WIY/ref=sr_1_9?s=gateway&ie=UTF8&qid=1285304109&sr=8-9
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Sep 23 2010, 04:54 PM
I'm only maybe 40 minutes into the podcast so far, but I've already cringed a few times... Dead Space: Ignition, the game Gamester mentioned, is not a port of the Wii Dead Space game. That game was Dead Space: Extraction, which is in fact being ported to the PS3 (but not the 360). Ignition is not an on-rails shooter; it's something completely different.

Also when you were bashing on Sonic Adventure's low review scores, Gamester said "If they ported the first Soul Calibur, everyone would give it a great score." That game actually did get ported to XBLA, and it received decent scores.

Anyways, I'm still enjoying the episode.
Glad you enjoyed the podcast dispite my "brain farts". lol

Thanks for the catch.

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really nice show...quite the naruto snub lol...but seriously very good show i enjoyed this im really looking forward to so many games i just bought a wii and im looking forward to games like dkc returns and nba jam....castlevania is probbably at the top of my list...im looking forward to ultimate ninja storm 2 mostly because its following the entire shippuuden series up to the current arc in japan...anyways again very good show guys
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Nice show again guys. More humorous than usual. :D I'm afraid to replay Sonic Adventure now, as it might totally destroy the relatively good memories I have of it. Anyways, thanks for helping me get through the work day!
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Sep 24 2010, 02:11 AM
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Sep 23 2010, 04:54 PM
I'm only maybe 40 minutes into the podcast so far, but I've already cringed a few times... Dead Space: Ignition, the game Gamester mentioned, is not a port of the Wii Dead Space game. That game was Dead Space: Extraction, which is in fact being ported to the PS3 (but not the 360). Ignition is not an on-rails shooter; it's something completely different.

Also when you were bashing on Sonic Adventure's low review scores, Gamester said "If they ported the first Soul Calibur, everyone would give it a great score." That game actually did get ported to XBLA, and it received decent scores.

Anyways, I'm still enjoying the episode.
Glad you enjoyed the podcast dispite my "brain farts". lol

Thanks for the catch.

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Gamester you forgot the mention the Sega Activator from the early 90's, one of the earliest motion controls. Its funny to see how much it has in common with Microsoft's Kinect... "You are the controller" ...sounds familiar.
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About Sonic Adventure, someone mentioned about "scores" and how people pay too close attention to them, well that is the main problem at least that I have with IGN is that they are scaring too many people away from playing the game in the first place with such a low score. Maybe it is just me but I find the game to hold up very well even with control standards, I played it maybe 2 years ago and beat it again and I had a blast, not just for nostalgia reasons. Hell, it controls 100% better than Sonic 06 for christs sake and that came out 7 years later.
I just find it funny how almost every time a classic game is ported to XBLA or PSN it always gets reviewed by a ton of game critics, and yet when an old school like a SNES or Genesis game is ported to the virtual console very few websites (besides the nintendo centric ones) dare to review/score them. Why is that? Probably because they are too scared to rate it too low since it has not "aged well". If you look under IGN they very rarely review VC games, unless I am looking in the wrong section.
Anyway enough rambling, we all have our own opinions for sure but I am still sticking by my opinion that SA1 still holds up today.

Oh, and the comment about me being obnoxious in this episode, I just don't think you are used to hearing me actually be able to talk about subjects I can relate to. The past few episodes I have been rather silent since the subjects we talked about were not my "expertize".

And to clear one last thing up about us getting information wrong about game titles, we do not plan this out like "Oh look a new Dead Space game, let me look up all the info and stuff prior to the show so that I know my shit", while this may seem ideal and such, we have only a certain amount of time to record the show, which we would actually rather use to well...record. This also keeps the show pure in a way that our opinions are all split second stuff and not planned or thought out prior to the show.

Oh yeah about the lack of editing and such, we actually suggested the mistakes and such stay in because they were pretty entertaining and funny, and not only that but they will keep the podcast more lively and personal than usual. Glad you all liked the show!
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Sep 24 2010, 05:46 PM
And to clear one last thing up about us getting information wrong about game titles, we do not plan this out like "Oh look a new Dead Space game, let me look up all the info and stuff prior to the show so that I know my shit", while this may seem ideal and such, we have only a certain amount of time to record the show, which we would actually rather use to well...record. This also keeps the show pure in a way that our opinions are all split second stuff and not planned or thought out prior to the show.

Oh yeah about the lack of editing and such, we actually suggested the mistakes and such stay in because they were pretty entertaining and funny, and not only that but they will keep the podcast more lively and personal than usual. Glad you all liked the show!
Don't worry about that. Everyone makes mistakes, it's not like any of us could do any better, lol. I say just go in there and keep doing what you all are doing, you're doing a fine job.

Oh, and you mentioned IGN and the virtual console. I seem to remember about 2 years ago on their Nintendo podcast they mentioned that they stopped reviewing virtual console games because they didn't know how to review them. If they compared them to new games then some people would complain, and if they only compared them to old games then other people would complain as well. So in the end they decided not to review them at all. It would seem that their Xbox and Playstation teams just decided differently. Besides, I don't think the people who would buy these old games are influenced by scores anyway. We like what we like and we don't care what others say. :)
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All this talk about scores and Sonic Adventure, and i just watched an awesome review of Sonic Adventure that came out today. This is how all reviews should be done, no score, just someone's opinion and recommendation. Mark has changed the way i look at game reviews, i've never heard HappyConsoleGamer or Pete talk about him, if u guys haven't heard of CGR check it out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3LzS2WjK5s
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