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| edge1000 | Feb 20 2012, 10:29 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqcq0-6MLFs&feature=context&context=C36fe2cbADOEgsToPDskIGTQJTl9vj0egkuU4RcdPW Silent Rob is my favorite YT channel for the last 5 years now, his videos are always entertaining and always make sense when he does these rant videos. |
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| lol_pc | Feb 21 2012, 09:38 AM Post #2 |
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Preaching to the choir..... |
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| linkuofcourage | Feb 21 2012, 02:28 PM Post #3 |
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Couldn't agree more we don't need another Cod I think Activision need to give the series a rest.
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| edge1000 | Feb 21 2012, 07:38 PM Post #4 |
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EXACTLY, i used to enjoy COD but now its the same thing over and over again. |
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| brody | Feb 21 2012, 10:52 PM Post #5 |
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I loved this guy when he made videos a few years ago. I thought he closed his channel down and went to another site. I did not know he came back. Woo Hoo. |
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| jcl3042 | Feb 23 2012, 11:09 AM Post #6 |
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Anyone remember a little game called Guitar Hero and how much EVERYONE loved it. It became a gaming pandemic. Activision is very bad about stumbling across a game/franchise that seems to be profitable, and then milking it completely dry until everyone is completely dry. I barely play FPS games anymore because Activision has just about ruined that genre for me. Enough is enough. |
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| MidiPour | Feb 23 2012, 03:13 PM Post #7 |
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MW3 was their best selling COD. Actually, BlOps was the bestselling until MW3 release. So if that's an indication, COD hasn't hit a Tony Hawk/Rock Band slump yet.. |
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| SCScanlan | Feb 23 2012, 03:34 PM Post #8 |
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Fuck, let the company make whatever game they want people! It doesn't have any effect on you because you're not buying it right? Or are you? Somebody is. Let the industry make money and when it stops selling the games maybe it'll innovate until then but it's not taking money away from other companies. You think if MW3 didn't come out (or BF3 for that matter) some lunkhead would have decided on a localized JRPG instead? Come on people, it's one of the side effects of our hobby being mainstream now, you want to complain, complain about Angry Birds... and FFS I'm tired of the "more of the same" argument especially from people who've been playing the same fucking version of Counterstrike for ten years. Sorry about the rant but damn, people complaining about videogames being made is beyond silly. It's like complaining about a remake or sequel being made... it doesn't matter, it's been happening since the beginning of the media, and it will happen forever. |
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| MidiPour | Feb 23 2012, 03:59 PM Post #9 |
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You have a valid point. But I think the argument is tossed towards the fact that people do buy Call of Duty instead of some other games, iPhone does have an effect on the sales of other portable handhelds, etc. It's not immediately apparent, but the effect is there. In terms of jrpgs, I see what you mean in that example, but I think people bring up jrpgs because CoD and other CoD-like games are prevalent, and the contrasting jrpg isn't. My account for this it's more rigorous and costly to produce a jrpg on the current hardware. It was completely evident with FFXIII too, and square's response to the criticism against the lack of overworld. Then you also have to weigh in cultural differences, but the reasons are there. It's just not intuitively easy to discuss without a textbook post and textbook responses. For the count, I like Call of Duty. I buy every one of them, and I do get my enjoyment out of the series. |
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| SCScanlan | Feb 23 2012, 04:13 PM Post #10 |
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I play MW3 among other games (and LOVE playing with my friends and family) but I know some people who really only get into multiplayer FPS games and if they didn't have MW they would have BF (or already do) and if those weren't around some other war based FPS would come out and sate their thirst for military carnage. Hell I have family who I play MW3 with who won't even look twice at Battlefield because it's not their cup of tea and if MW3 wasn't released they would still be on Black Ops. I see what you mean with the production of JRpgs but what a lot of people don't think about is the fact that they have multiple teams working on these sequels and it's not one team cranking out a game every single year. Think about it, Final Fantasy VII was released in 1997 and VIII in 1999. That's the same time it takes for one team to complete the next installment in the Call of Duty series they're currently working on. The bottom line is, if it sells well, they'll make more, when that's over they'll move on to something else or shutter their windows and I just don't see the point in all the moaning. I think what bugs me the most is that it seems to have become rather trendy to hate on CoD and that really grinds my gears. |
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| MidiPour | Feb 23 2012, 04:30 PM Post #11 |
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Well yeah, Activision has 2 Call of Duty subsidiaries: Treyarch and InfinityWard BUT! Final Fantasy has different production teams as well, and I believe there is 3 different ones. This generalization isn't entirely correct, but one works on the Ivalice games. Another is primarily directed by the director of VII, X and XIII. That's why one game is entirely different from the next. If we look at the PS2 releases. FFX, XI and XII are nothing alike each other. One is, in my opinion, more jRPG influenced. Another has an MMO influence. And the next, a more Star Wars-esque theme (with hey! Ivalice). But in all honesty, FF is never simply a rehash. Which is why FFXIII tries something unique and different for a battle system, but isn't my cup of tea. But Then I have really high hopes that I will enjoy FFXV as, more or less, it probably is developed by the Ivalice team. But then it could be claimed that CoD, unlike FF, never necessarily changes. Meaning, since I like BlOps and MW3, I will likely enjoy BlOps2. Since I liked the original BlOp's zombies, I will likely enjoy BlOps2's zombies. Same can't be said about FF, I didn't enjoy XIII, but I really enjoyed XII. *edit* I guess I'll apologize for being a Ivalice fanboy. If anyone hasn't picked up already. xD *second edit* The director of the Ivalice series left for Level 5?? Edited by MidiPour, Feb 23 2012, 06:00 PM.
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| SCScanlan | Feb 23 2012, 04:43 PM Post #12 |
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With games being $60 purchases today are people less willing to try the next Final Fantasy game when they've had hit or miss experiences with it than they are buy a game where they KNOW what they'll be getting? Price plays a HUGE factor in this argument as well, I think a lot of people would try more games that are outside their box if they could get it on release day for $40. Good points, and that's what I like to hear not just somebody rambling on about how much they hate a series. Yeah, that's Rob's schtick and I sub to him so I'm not knocking the guy but I'd rather hear some valid points. EDIT* I just think Razorfist and AlphaSinOmega have some points that, while I don't always agree with them, are more well thought out and implemented in their rants. Edited by SCScanlan, Feb 23 2012, 04:51 PM.
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| MidiPour | Feb 23 2012, 05:06 PM Post #13 |
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To conclude what you stated earlier, if you like the game then buy it. If you don't like the game, don't. If you feel that the game banters out at you like muzak in the mall, find ways to ignore it. In the end, no one is holding a gun to your head to play the game. Edited by MidiPour, Feb 23 2012, 05:08 PM.
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| thewhitepenny | Feb 23 2012, 08:54 PM Post #14 |
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Argument invalid.... Play counter-strike |
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| thewhitepenny | Feb 23 2012, 08:55 PM Post #15 |
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oh and I love this guys views! He just gained another sub |
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| lol_pc | Feb 23 2012, 09:31 PM Post #16 |
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There's very good reason for people to be pissed off at the milking of the CoD franchise right now. Activision has over the last few years taken a beloved franchise that was full of life and innovation, and turned it into nothing but a mere shell of its former self. Many long time fans of the series are outraged, because even though sales are good for CoD right now, continuing down this road will lead to the end of the series, and what then? The vast majority of the people who made the original CoDs are gone because Activision scared them off, and since the collapse of Infinity Ward there has been zero innovation to the series. And when the CoD franchise begins to fall apart, Activision will have two "developers" on hand who has no experience laying the foundation for a new game, because they've only built upon a pre-existing foundation, and you want them to take the next innovative step? I'm not a huge CoD fan, never have been, but i'd be really fucking pissed too if Bethesda began to milk the Elder Scrolls franchise. If this was your favourite franchise, wouldn't you say something? |
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| SCScanlan | Feb 24 2012, 12:04 AM Post #17 |
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I've been playing the Elder Scrolls since Arena and they've streamlined, dumbed down, and otherwise changed a TON of shit in that game so that it better appeals to the masses. I understand how people really want their beloved franchise to innovate but it just can't, not forever, and CoD changed WWII shooter storytelling as well as breathing life into the genre with Modern Warfare. The bottom line is, it's not your franchise. If your favorite restaurant got rid of the dish you ordered every time you went there what would you do? Complain to the chef or the owner? Probably... but what do you do when he told you that by replacing that dish he increased business ten fold and that he just couldn't afford to lose all that money because of your favorite meal? Eat somewhere else... That's a weird analogy, I almost deleted it (and probably should have) but it's weird and it made me smile. It also made me hungry. |
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| lol_pc | Feb 24 2012, 09:34 AM Post #18 |
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If you've been playing the Elder Scrolls since Arena like I have, you'd know the focus of the series has always been immersive roleplaying and creating a believable world, the traditional leveling system used in RPGs is a hindrance to that, it takes you out of the experience whenever you need to go to a screen to assign skill points, perks etc., i'm not saying I don't like that, but that's what Bethesda has tried to go around for years, if those changes appeal to the masses, all the better. But that wasn't my point, Bethesda hasn't milked the Elder Scrolls franchise, if they had I doubt we'd wait 5 years for a new entry to the series. Why can't you innovate? CoD is a semi-young franchise, and before CoD4 they made exceptional innovations to the FPS genre, but when CoD4 began to sell like gangbusters Activision didn't give to shits about innovating or creativity, they just wanted to milk that succes to the full extent, you don't think if Activision had given Infinity Ward or even Treyarch for that matter, a breathing room they could've come up with that level of innovation again? Again, look at The Elder Scrolls, every single game in that series (Maybe with the exception of the few spin-offs) has contributed hugely to the RPG genre, and they've innovated and evovled the series with every entry, and there's a very good reason why, they take the time it requires to make an incredibly awesome game. Blizzard, Valve, Rockstar, Square Enix, BioWare, Nintendo etc. also does this, and it is undeniably one the big reasons why their games are so good, and don't get stale. You don't think that if Activision had given this chance to an incredible team like the old Infinity Ward, they could've made something fresh and unique? And another thing those succesful companies do, that Activision don't, is that they LISTEN to the fans, which is definetly also a primary factor in keeping a franchise going for a looong time. |
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| SCScanlan | Feb 24 2012, 10:20 AM Post #19 |
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What about changes in conversing with local people? Joining factions? Remember in Daggerfall when your conversation tree with even the most generic NPC was huge and you could get quests, directions, and information from almost anybody? Not to mention all the guilds and orders you could join. How is that immersing the player MORE when they include LESS of it? Besides, if you can honestly sit there and tell me that you feel like Bethesda doesn't rush out their games then any kind of conversation about them is pointless because you're too in love with them to see past their faults. I'm a huge Bethesda fan but their games are filled with more bugs than an Orkin commercial. Game companies aren't out there to make you happy because they just really think you're a swell guy, they're doing what they believe their audience wants to MAKE MONEY. That's what it's about man, be it Atlus, Bethesda, EA, or Activision they want to turn a profit. Modern Warfare makes money, when it stops doing that the need to innovate and create something different will be there but for it's not there. |
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| lol_pc | Feb 24 2012, 11:19 AM Post #20 |
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They've made their games more immersive by making a deeper world, you go anywhere and there has been paid attention to the tiniest detail, you look anywhere and you see vast expanses ready to explored, you touch anything and it moves something elsewhere and everything has a story to tell, it may be told to you directly through dialogue, or for example you find a man dead on the side of the road and you imagine what unfortunate event fell upon him. I personally have felt the level of immersion rise with each game, sure there's problems here and there, and i'm not always happy with all of their decisions (I'm looking at you level scaling), but I definetly feel like i'm in the gameworld more and more with every entry. So just because they need to make a living means they don't care about their product? You can feel if the developers had no passion for the game, look at most of the movie based games, you can feel they were made just to make quick buck. To make a good game you need talented designers, to make a truly great game you need talented designers with passion. |
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| SCScanlan | Feb 24 2012, 09:39 PM Post #21 |
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I agree with you there but what do you do to innovate in a game that has a HUGE fanfare like MW3? You don't do enough and you're a lazy team out to simply make money, you change too much and you've ruined the game. Shit, I remember people flipping the f out when Counterstrike changed just a little bit let alone the screaming that came along with riot shields in CS. You can't please everybody all the time but it seems like cod is pleasing some people, at least that's what the sales say. You have to admit its trendy to hate on MW3 right now, especially because of how popular it is. |
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| edge1000 | Feb 25 2012, 07:15 PM Post #22 |
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I think COD should be different now....why is it still modern warfare? what about future warfare? |
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| SCScanlan | Feb 26 2012, 01:34 AM Post #23 |
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That's Ghost Recon's job.
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| lol_pc | Feb 26 2012, 04:56 AM Post #24 |
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It definetly is trendy, but I just think that if Activisions gave the CoD franchise a little breathing room they could come up with something new and fresh. Look at Rayman, a few years back they were pumping out crappy Rayman games one after another, they gave the franchise a little breather, then came Rayman: Origins one of the absolute best Rayman games ever made, and I really believe that the reason for the quality of that game was due to Ubisoft taking a little break. |
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