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| thewhitepenny | Jan 21 2014, 08:43 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2014/01/21/rumors-starting-to-swirl-about-nintendos-next-console/ Doesn't seem an absolute impossibility.... I mean we all remember the virtual boy. If things don't turn around this year you have to think they will start working on something. |
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| Unclever | Jan 21 2014, 09:55 PM Post #2 |
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As far as Nintendo dropping the WiiU, personally I don’t think it will come to that. The WiiU isn’t going to go down as a great success for Nintendo, but I don’t think this is a Saturn or a Virtual Boy either. I feel like a lot of people forget the GameCuba wasn’t a financial disaster for them, and I don’t think they had 10% of the market (I am not positive on that but it couldn’t have been more than 15%). Again the GameCuba isn’t exactly a high point in Nintendo history but it did last the whole gen. As for Nintendo coming out with a new console soon I am going to shoot that down for logistical reasons. Make a console takes time. If Nintendo was thinking about putting out a “stop gap” console they would have first thought it necessary after the holiday season. Designing, test, manufacturing a console takes time. Not to mention you want to have dev kits out long enough so people can have games on your console for launch. I wouldn’t be surprised if you see a new Nintendo console in 2016. 4 year is a legitimate life span for a console, if not maybe on the short side. All of the specs and rumors flying about what Nintendos next console will all have are probably true, in that they are all ideas Nintendo came up with for the next console. R&D of a console takes a long time, rain storming is part of that process. Weather all these“ideas” actually make it to the next console I question. |
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| Richard | Jan 22 2014, 12:28 AM Post #3 |
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Well if Nintendo is going to make a new home console, then they need to get it out asap. I actually hope this is true, but I know many Wii U owners will be pissed because it will certainly have backwards compatibility. If it is going to be a Wii U replacement, then I may "be in line for that shit" since I don't own a Wii U and have been contemplating on it. |
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| majinpowers | Jan 22 2014, 12:40 AM Post #4 |
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Making a new console is the worst thing Nintendo could do. It would really hurt there name and people would lose trust in them like how it hurt Sega back in the day when they dropped the Saturn. I don't think Nintendo is in near as bad a shape as people make it out to be. Look at the 3DS in its first year and look at it now. Iwata has admitted to there mistakes on the Wii U marketing specifically to the West and it looks like there going to try and turn things around. I think you will see a new IP from Nintendo or maybe one we haven't saw in a long time developed for the West to make the console more appealing here. Plus you have Zelda, Donkey Kong, Smash Bros. Maro Kart all coming for the system! |
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| MidiPour | Jan 22 2014, 01:01 AM Post #5 |
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First off, I'd like to point out the Wii U is not only in a worse position the Gamecube was in sales, but also recently with their properties that were *supposed* to leverage their console. For one, Super Mario 3D World failed to leave the same impression on consumers and have the market grab that Sunshine for the Gamecube did, and judging from Nintendo's projected sales that were released, neither did the successors to popular Wii software. Now I'm not under the impression that Nintendo cannot make the Wii U marketable [to whatever audience], it's just going to take a drastic change, strong marketing and games to back it up. I think this is something Nintendo can learn from Ubisoft, who seems more faithful when they launch out a new IP with a strong budget that doesn't rely on pre-existing franchises or those franchises' tropes. As for whether Nintendo should ditch, they shouldn't. Although I don't think the Wii U is in a comparable position as the PS3, after all, the Wii U is slightly outdated and will eventually show its age. However, if they market and establish themselves properly, and give people the right perception of their console, then maybe they can attain success with the Wii U mid-game. (I'm assuming this gen will last a little less than a decade, maybe 8?)
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| XcornmuffinX | Jan 22 2014, 02:09 AM Post #6 |
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Wii U2 incoming! Bono is doing the commercials I hear!!! On a serious note, I don't think it would be unheard of for Nintendo to be starting development on a new console right now. I assume they are going to put the Wii U on the short track (and by that I mean 4 to 5 years) so, considering console dev takes years, it would make sense for them to start now. I'm still hoping the Wii U comes up with something though. Support from developers I actually want games from would be a nice start. As much as the Nintendo faithful want to harp on "all the awesome games coming this year!!!11!!", I personally don't see it. As a person who essentially only enjoys Intelligent Systems developed Nintendo games, this year is still a wasteland with maybe one release I'm interested in at all and maybe one more that probably won't even be out in 2014. Every game MajinPowers mentioned above I have zero interest in. I'm not even expecting huge games from big companies. I'll take quirky Wii U exclusives that are built on a shoestring budget. I'll take more games like Shiren the Wanderer, Deadly Creatures, A boy and his Blob, Night of the Sacrifice, or Fatal Frame from any 3rd party dev. We just don't seem to have those in the works. If stuff like that is around someone let me know. I've had money set aside to buy a Wii U for months and months but they haven't even remotely come close to the threshold of games I want to play to make me even think about buying one yet. |
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| pokemonzrpg | Jan 22 2014, 06:19 AM Post #7 |
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I feel like if Nintendo were to focus on yet another new console, that could hurt them even more in the long run. They just really need to get their act together with the Wii U. I love the Wii U, but Nintendo have made a lot of stupid mistakes with it and haven't made it appealing to the general public in the slightest. They failed to capture any "hardcore gamers," like they claimed they were trying to do, and have been plain miserable with how they advertised the console. If they were to bail out on the Wii U like that, that would leave a nasty mark on their brand name and leave a worse impression than if they were to keep going at the rate they are now. If they could just focus and maybe get some stellar third-party deals arranged then they could do something here. I personally feel like Super Smash Bros. should have been a Wii U exclusive. People come flocking in troves to play Smash Bros. from what I've noticed and I think if they made it a Wii U exclusive that the Wii U could be put in a better position for sure when that is released. I still think that will be one of the make it or break it moments for the Wii U: Whether or not it sells well after the release of Smash Bros.. But I think that the 3DS is already in a good position and if anything having Smash Bros. available on the 3DS will only make people convince themselves to just go out and buy the cheaper version for their 3DS or, best-case scenario, go out and buy a 3DS so that they can buy it. I am confident that Super Smash Bros. is the best system-seller Nintendo can offer at this point, the perfect blend between a party game and a "hardcore" game. The Wii U version may be the superior version in the end as I expect it to be, but I'm just not sure if it will make a difference with the life of the Wii U. But it will definitely help sales (just how much is what I'm not sure of )! |
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| bolton121 | Jan 22 2014, 06:21 AM Post #8 |
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Does anyone else think it is damaging that Nintendo are out of sync with the Microsoft and Sony console cycle? We sometimes forget that we are the more extreme hardcore gamers, and probably part of the one percentile that would buy more than one current gen console. 99% of a game consoles target market will only buy one console, so for them it is a choice. And when a new Nintendo system comes out at the moment it is very easy for a casual gamer to think, well I know that Microsoft and Sony will release a new console in 1 to 2 years so I will wait to see what those are like before I commit to buy. Hence the new Nintendo records shocking release sales. But it's not as simple as Nintendo just releasing their new console at the same time as Sony and Microsoft. I believe that they chose not to do this. Why? Because quite simply if you released them all at the same time Nintendo's latest consoles would look so underwhelming next to the other 2. The other 2 consoles would look sharper, have more impressive IP's and just be more impressive. Nintendo can't go up against the Playstation and Xbox simply because they no longer cater for the same audience. It's a catch 22 situation for them, and at the end of the day they are a business, and that business is suffering. |
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| OMEGAlomania | Jan 22 2014, 06:42 AM Post #9 |
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No, no lol. Even if they ARE playing around with new hardware right now, it feels about right for that to have started ~a year after the launch of the last console (as cornmuffin said). Let's not forget that home consoles are out of date before they hit the shelves, toying with more powerful hardware at this stage sounds right to me. Now, I don't think they are going to be waiting 6 years for a new console to appear like we did the Wii U though, I think it will be more like 4 (or 3 from now). As much as I enjoy playing on my Wii U, and I think there are some seriously great titles available now and will be soon, the general gamer doesn't seem to have too much of an interest in it (at least compared to the rest of next/current/whatever we are calling it gen). I think they will stay with the U untill they have at least pulled a profit from it (or as close as possible), which they can do as long as they keep putting out quality Nintendo titles (and perhaps slowing production). Imo they need to set realistic targets, and realise that the Wii almost fluke levels of successful. Ninty are very good at playing third place, they just need to remember how to handle that situation. Anyone remember how the Gamecube sold in it's first year (actual question)? I'll bet the stats are pretty comparible, if not a bit less for the U. |
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| eSkilliam | Jan 22 2014, 07:54 AM Post #10 |
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I'm not getting a Wii U, at least not anytime soon. I would love to see Nintendo stop focusing on gimmicks, quit trying to be the "cutesy" and "pretty" side of gaming(since the SNES days), partner with Sega(especially Sega's old hardware team), and put out one hell of a hardcore gaming system. That doesn't mean that they have to drop their beloved characters, just take their system capabilities more mainstream. Nintendo is great at innovation, but we don't need innovation. I think this generation of gaming is going to be about who has the strongest and most versatile platform, not who has the fluffiest main character bestselling game. Meanwhile I think Nintendo has the handheld market on lock and is doing everything right in that regard. With the exception of the endless stream of slightly bigger screen handhelds. Give us time to play one for a while before you outdate it Edited by eSkilliam, Jan 22 2014, 07:57 AM.
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| browland1 | Jan 22 2014, 08:59 AM Post #11 |
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The whole Nintendo debacle has been discussed ad nauseam, so I won’t bother getting into that here. I don’t personally own a Wii U, but I can see myself buying one within the next year if the games slated for 2014 come to fruition. The fans and the haters alike need to calm down and take a step back. Nintendo is in a rough place now, but it’s not the first time they’ve had problems and I’m confident that they will turn things around. They are a brand that carries a lot of weight in the gaming industry, so things will improve as more games and better console support comes about. As for a new home console, I don’t see it happening anytime soon. The Wii U has only been out for a year and it would be very un-Nintendo to just drop it and introduce something else. It would also be a foolish move on their part – if they haven’t instilled confidence in their current console, what makes them think that people will jump on board with a new one. Those who invested in the Wii U will feel jilted and it would just be a huge mess. Besides, Sega employed that “start, stop” approach to their consoles and look at how they ended up. I can’t see Nintendo going down that same road. |
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| Richard | Jan 22 2014, 10:24 AM Post #12 |
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I was just thinking..how many of you will actually hold out once Smash is released? |
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| stratamaster78 | Jan 22 2014, 02:00 PM Post #13 |
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I won't go into a super long rant here but IF Nintendo just dropped the WiiU it would be a disaster. So I doubt they do that but there is nothing wrong with them getting a jump start on the future. I also agree with almost 100% of what eSkilliam says above in regards to the giimmicky cutesy stuff. Nintendo consoles use to be an absolute day one purchase for me but the last system I bought from them at launch was the Gamecube. Now in retrospect it's a lot better system than what I gave it credit for at the time but that is when Microsoft and Sony started shining as the 'Hardcore' systems and Nintendo started to look stuck in the 'Fluffy Kiddie' rut. It then got worse for me when the Wii launched and the motion control was a severe turn off for me. While they WERE bringing back long lost titles like Punch-Out and Kirby they still had this seemingly focus on the mascot franchises and kiddie-esqe family games while the PS3 and 360 were giving you a little of everything. Now again in retrospect I have gained MUCH more respect for the Wii as a system because if you can weed through the fluff there are some GREAT serious titles in the library. The problem is that Nintendo just doesn't do a good job of marketing the more 'hardcore' stuff/exclusives. They tend to push the Mascot historical cash cow franchises instead. Now I don't have a WiiU but I suspect it's following the same path. It's going to get a bad rap initially in the right now....but 5-10 years from now it will be viewed as 'Hey it really was an awesome system with great games'. Nintendo is the frontrunner and king of innovation most of the time but they get beat down by Sony and Microsoft in marketing....in the west anyway. That's just my general 2 cents. Edited by stratamaster78, Jan 22 2014, 02:01 PM.
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| eSkilliam | Jan 22 2014, 02:18 PM Post #14 |
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It's fine to have motion controls and cater to the younger audience, but the fact of the matter is that there are a LOT of gamers in the 25-40 year old range that they are missing out on. I'm in my near mid 30's and after a long exausting day at the factory, the last thing I want to do is come home and jump around and waggle a controller about like a madman. I want to sit on my couch with a controller that can sit comfortably in my hands and relax with a game. I like platformers, and I don't mind cartoony graphics, but cater to the older demographic a little bit if you want its money for your goods Nintendo. I have a feeling that is the demographic that Nintendo thinks they had in check but they really didn't. Our generation matured and games matured with us. Nintendo stayed very very innovative, I'll give them that, but they didn't mature. The Wii U was somewhat of an attempt to hit both demographics(children and adults) by touting the multi-platform hits that were going to come out on it's system, but it didn't quite hit the mark because so many of us had jumped ship to Microsoft and Sony because they were doing that one thing better already. The bottom line is that Microsoft and Sony are both reeling in the entirety of gaming consumers. Nintendo is only reeling in half. You can still have your kid side Nintendo, we won't take that away from you, but have a grown up side too if you want to play with us. |
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| MidiPour | Jan 22 2014, 03:10 PM Post #15 |
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Getting it on the 3DS. |
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| Tr3vor | Jan 22 2014, 03:12 PM Post #16 |
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| pokemonzrpg | Jan 22 2014, 04:13 PM Post #17 |
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This is what I was talking about in my post! I certainly don't blame you guys for getting it on the system you already have, but this Nintendo are missing out on some potential Wii U console sales they could have had if Smash Bros. was a Wii U exclusive! |
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| AndsyRR | Jan 22 2014, 04:23 PM Post #18 |
 
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I seriously don't get all the Nintendo hate guys.... Dropping the Wii-U would be the worst thing Brotendo could do. Keep in for the long haul, it'll slowly come around. Stay waiting on dat X. |
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| Kharnivore2099 | Jan 22 2014, 04:58 PM Post #19 |
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I hate on them jokingly quite a lot and even i would hate to see them drop the Wii U. Once they have some decent games behind it and they sell them at a decent price i'm sure i might even pick them up. I just don't feel that the library of games justifies me forking out for a Wii U at the moment, but when that library increases in size and quality you can bet your bottom dollar that i'll be jumping on it. Def seems like my pick of the three this gen. |
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| MidiPour | Jan 22 2014, 05:15 PM Post #20 |
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I mean, I'm sure there will be reasons to buy the Wii U version, just as there's reasons to buy the console versions of Mario Karts. It's just right now, I can get my Nintendo fix on the highly supported platform for a cheaper price. And let's be real, the 3DS is pretty much a portable Gamecube, so the lines between the portable and console gaming are just beginning to blur. Of course, I'm not saying the other platforms aren't capable of much more. However, I feel with Nintendo's toon-ish games, that extra spec doesn't make as large of a difference for me as it might have between GBA and Gamecube. (though, admittedly, Mario Kart 8 and SSB4 do look better in HD) |
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| eSkilliam | Jan 22 2014, 06:01 PM Post #21 |
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I'm not a Nintendo hater. I like most of their stuff and I think they are very innovative. I just think they've closed their door to a bunch of the gaming market and their sales are suffering because of it. When I was talking about demographics earlier I was including myself in that group because that group is large and does exist. In reality, I have a Wii I turn on from time to time and thoroughly enjoy the occasional waggle. But sometimes I want a grown up system and, and Nintendo hasn't really offered that for a while. |
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| KingJames88 | Jan 22 2014, 06:49 PM Post #22 |
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I also don't think it would be a good idea at all for them to release anything about a new home console any time soon. Instead, maybe rethink the way things are going with the wii-u. I'm a fan of nintendo but I haven't really had an interest to pick up a wii-u,, but in all fairness, I generally stick to ds and 3ds gaming and rely on home consoles for multiplayer experiences. I feel if the wii-u offered more of what the ds/3ds does, it may be more successful. By this I mean a great mix of well polished first party games, some of them with different ideas such as canvas curse, as well as unique third party games you won't normally find on a microsoft or sony home console. With the way that downloadable and indie games are taking off though, more and more unique, niche games are coming to all platforms, so some of the games that made the ds special, are now the types that are popping up for download elsewhere. |
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| XxKomebackKidxX | Jan 22 2014, 07:52 PM Post #23 |
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| XxKomebackKidxX | Jan 22 2014, 08:14 PM Post #24 |
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Nintendo had it right with the Wii. They created something that appealed to the majority of gamers (the casual) and struck when the iron was hot. The Wii was a fad (in reality) and struck with the casual and made tons of money. The time had passed and Nintendo about milked all they could out of the Wii. I think they were going with an advanced Wii with the Wii U and by that I mean they were trying to appeal to the growing casual fad which now seemed to be the tablet/pad market. With the Wii and Wii U I think Nintendo had the casuals in mind from the start and only slightly had the hardcore in mind, releasing a handful of first party gold with the tons of shovelware which appeal to the casual. The casual is where the money is. It is simple for a child or grandma to waggle a wii mote and really feel like he is participating in the game. With a Wii pad I think it is a bit more complicated for either of those demographics to understand or easily participate with. This sounds horrible but even with a ton of crappy shovelware a system can make tons of money (ie the Wii). The games don't need to be fantastic but they need to capture a specific audience now. Let's face it, the majority of the Wii's sold were not sold on great games, they were sold on the gimmick. They are now trying to appeal to hardcore and casual with the Wii U and it doesnt work. It works with a handheld but not a home console. Find that audience and go with it and stop trying to appease everyone. If they can market to a specific audience well I think that would do better than crappily marketing to a general audience. |
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| RockmanDash12 | Jan 22 2014, 08:34 PM Post #25 |
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oh crap I should have seen this before I went on my ramble post... can a mod please delete that? (just a copy and paste of what I said on the other thead so please delete that...) *WARNING* - SPEC RAMBLING IN THIS POST - *WARNING* I'm calling BS on this. There's been a bunch of chatter about this Nintendo Next Gen Fusion article that was posted on this Nintendo News site, but I doubt that Nintendo would pull a sega on us and release a new console this early. The Wii U is only dying because of lack of internal memory and price making it seem unattractive to the consumer, and the CPU being too slow for the devs. Both of those can be fixed with a new sku like how the PSP upped the clockspeed with the PSP 2000, and how the last generation consoles improved the storage options on the consoles. Releasing a new 3ds, with upgraded specs so the games wouldn't run on the old 3ds would be near suicide. Plus, there are several specs on this spec sheet that just set up red flags. Starting off with the Handheld, they way they say the SoC is very weird. A-53 CPU and 420 Based AMD GPU? That's the Qualcomm 805, but if they ment the 805, they should have said so. AMD sold the mobile GPU division to Qualcomm years ago. The screens are kinda confusing too. 2x960x640? this is about half of 1080p, but 960x640 is the same screen res as the vita, but seems kinda low considering it would come out next year. 2x720p would have made more since considering that the 805 can run 1080p+ with no problems. all that's normal but the bigger red flags are 3G chip with GPS location, and SDHC "Holographic Enhenced" up to 128 GB. The 805 comes with LTE Built in, they just need to make an antenna so releasing a 3g device now would make no sense, and WTF is "Holographic Enhenced?" Do they mean SDXC, or did they just fuck it up entirely? With the console, the GPU raises a HUGE red flag here. If you check the specs of that GPU with an AMD GPU, that's almost a stock R9 290x, which goes for 500 bucks by itself and is loud as fuck. The CPU... is an IBM PowerPC? If they are putting in a Co-Processor to maintain backwards compatibility, why not go x86 like the rest of the gaming community? The memory spec makes noooo sense... 4gb of DDR4? We don't have DDR4 on our desktops yet, and GDDR5>DDR4... Plus 4gb is half of the new consoles... and that will be bad. The Disk drive spec.... i don't get it. 4 layer DVD drive with HVD drive??? i have no clue. It makes me happy that they would put a 3ds card slot into the console, but there's just too much wrong with this. and last but not least, the very last spec. 60gb of flash storage with disk drive and 300gb without? WHY NOT JUST PUT A DAMN HARD DRIVE INTO IT? Digital Only will flop, people's internet isn't good enough yet to be downloading these huge games, and 300gb of internal flash will cost an arm and a leg, yet still not be enough. This is BS. Guys, please ignore whatever you hear about this rumor, there's a 0% chance this is true as is. Edited by RockmanDash12, Jan 22 2014, 10:38 PM.
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