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Is it wrong to use adblock while watching Youtube?
Topic Started: Feb 24 2015, 12:27 AM (2,524 Views)
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It seems like the Youtube gaming community is heavily involved with ad-sense for the past year or two. I keep seeing videos about how adblock hurts content creators, and how Nintendo is anti-gamer for being finicky regarding letting people make money off their video games. I don't know, I like adblock since I don't get viruses anywhere near as much as I use to since installing it, and I don't see how not being able to make money off of hobby videos makes a company anti-gamer tbh. Boycott Nintendo because they're anti-gamer by not letting me be able to monetize just seems ridiculous to me.

Quite frankly I'm rather sick of hearing about monetization since it just makes it feel like a bunch of people I use to watch are sell outs at this point. If someone makes content I really like such as John's Arcade I'll donate every now and then since he doesn't cram the making money portion down my throat and uses it to noticeably improve his content. Just seems more genuine overall like it used to be.

That's just me though, what do you guys think? :]
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Feb 26 2015, 04:59 PM
I just don't think 99.9% of the gaming communities videos are worth me wasting my time watching ads, or donating towards.
Sums up how I feel 100%

Simply put I just don't like watching ads! If a channel I do enjoy makes a product like a DVD then I don't mind buying it to support them.

They only channel I have ever bought stuff from was spida1a! I love his videos and think they are worth dropping some money toward. Only other channel I would buy a DVD style product from would be Game Sack, and I hope they do make some DVD's.
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This is a good topic...and one I have a few opinions about (no surprise)

1) Anybody who has as many subscribers as I do doesn't consider creating YouTube videos just a hobby. You can't because there is just so much work involved. You might get lucky with one viral video and get some subs...that typically isn't sustainable and long term. Instead, I work almost a full time job each week creating my videos to the level I want and my subscribers expect. It's typically the YouTube channels stuck at 10,000 subs who are treating it like a Hobby in my experience. Nothing wrong with 10,000 subs...but most people create videos to be SEEN and appreciated.

2) As for monetization and making some money, I would ask you take a look at where your Entertainment $$ dollars are spent each month. Are you paying for cable TV ($100+), Netflix ($20-$30), buying Blu-Ray movies ($10-$30)...yet spending just as much time watching YouTube? I know *I* do. Personally, I love the channels I subscribe to and the work they put into them... In many ways they are better and more targeted to my tastes than ANYTHING big TV and Hollywood corporations would give me and I prefer to reward them. Letting that Kate Upton Game of War ad play in the beginning is a small price to pay for the awesome episode of the Game Chasers I'm about to enjoy. In a perfect world, my favorite YouTube channels would make MORE money than Hollywood TV & movie stars

Great topic guys!
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Mar 8 2015, 12:39 PM
This is a good topic...and one I have a few opinions about (no surprise)

1) Anybody who has as many subscribers as I do doesn't consider creating YouTube videos just a hobby. You can't because there is just so much work involved. You might get lucky with one viral video and get some subs...that typically isn't sustainable and long term. Instead, I work almost a full time job each week creating my videos to the level I want and my subscribers expect. It's typically the YouTube channels stuck at 10,000 subs who are treating it like a Hobby in my experience. Nothing wrong with 10,000 subs...but most people create videos to be SEEN and appreciated.

2) As for monetization and making some money, I would ask you take a look at where your Entertainment $$ dollars are spent each month. Are you paying for cable TV ($100+), Netflix ($20-$30), buying Blu-Ray movies ($10-$30)...yet spending just as much time watching YouTube? I know *I* do. Personally, I love the channels I subscribe to and the work they put into them... In many ways they are better and more targeted to my tastes than ANYTHING big TV and Hollywood corporations would give me and I prefer to reward them. Letting that Kate Upton Game of War ad play in the beginning is a small price to pay for the awesome episode of the Game Chasers I'm about to enjoy. In a perfect world, my favorite YouTube channels would make MORE money than Hollywood TV & movie stars

Great topic guys!
Is there a blocker that just blocks the Kate Upton Game of War ads? Man they are getting obnoxious. I wonder how much they've spent on advertising to maintain a far second place to Clash of Clans?


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This is a good topic...and one I have a few opinions about (no surprise)

1) Anybody who has as many subscribers as I do doesn't consider creating YouTube videos just a hobby. You can't because there is just so much work involved. You might get lucky with one viral video and get some subs...that typically isn't sustainable and long term. Instead, I work almost a full time job each week creating my videos to the level I want and my subscribers expect. It's typically the YouTube channels stuck at 10,000 subs who are treating it like a Hobby in my experience. Nothing wrong with 10,000 subs...but most people create videos to be SEEN and appreciated.

2) As for monetization and making some money, I would ask you take a look at where your Entertainment $$ dollars are spent each month. Are you paying for cable TV ($100+), Netflix ($20-$30), buying Blu-Ray movies ($10-$30)...yet spending just as much time watching YouTube? I know *I* do. Personally, I love the channels I subscribe to and the work they put into them... In many ways they are better and more targeted to my tastes than ANYTHING big TV and Hollywood corporations would give me and I prefer to reward them. Letting that Kate Upton Game of War ad play in the beginning is a small price to pay for the awesome episode of the Game Chasers I'm about to enjoy. In a perfect world, my favorite YouTube channels would make MORE money than Hollywood TV & movie stars

Great topic guys!
Thank you.
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Mar 8 2015, 01:04 PM
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I actually just cringed IRL at that. Eww dude. Seriously.

MJR - You know I got mad love for you, one of the few people along with LGR that frequently pay homage to the PC old skool. But some creators are trying to take the mickey now. Recently had Barnacles just run a full video as an ad for a custom computer shop. A 30 minute advert. That he monetized, and put in 9 referral links in the description box, AND patreoned it. This has become the norm, and it's only gunna get worse. But, this leads me onto the second point. As long as the crowds are composed of kids like ZRPG who are too eager to please the almighty creators - it'll keep on getting more intrusive, until the bubble bursts in a spectacular fashion.





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I don't care for the 'YouTube is a job mentality' myself. I have no problem using Adblock. When this community started my impression was it was about like minded people getting together socially online and having fun discussing the gaming hobby we all have in common. It was a fairly close nit group of people doing game reviews, pickups, collection overviews, system reviews, and interactive topic tags.

Then 'partnering' and 'monetization' started and it destroyed the community with people getting greedy and flooding and saturating the group to make a quick buck by doing 'Let's Plays' or walking the fine line of eBegging now. I grimace when people set up Patreon accounts and make videos about supporting it.

YouTube gaming vids shouldn't be a new form of social security/welfare, or income. It's not a freaking job and it shouldn't be. Gaming is a hobby and talking about it is engaging in the hobby with others. It's not a service rendered where there is an obligation to gain income off it.

If it is then I've missed out....I've never been to other people's house and talked about any hobby at length and then pulled my pocket out expecting them to stuff dollar bills in their for compensation for my opinions. The whole subject is ridiculous.
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I don't care for the 'YouTube is a job mentality' myself. I have no problem using Adblock. When this community started my impression was it was about like minded people getting together socially online and having fun discussing the gaming hobby we all have in common. It was a fairly close nit group of people doing game reviews, pickups, collection overviews, system reviews, and interactive topic tags.

Then 'partnering' and 'monetization' started and it destroyed the community with people getting greedy and flooding and saturating the group to make a quick buck by doing 'Let's Plays' or walking the fine line of eBegging now. I grimace when people set up Patreon accounts and make videos about supporting it.

YouTube gaming vids shouldn't be a new form of social security/welfare, or income. It's not a freaking job and it shouldn't be. Gaming is a hobby and talking about it is engaging in the hobby with others. It's not a service rendered where there is an obligation to gain income off it.

If it is then I've missed out....I've never been to other people's house and talked about any hobby at length and then pulled my pocket out expecting them to stuff dollar bills in their for compensation for my opinions. The whole subject is ridiculous.
The same argument could be made that professional sports are games and just a recreational passtime, therefore athletes shouldn't be paid, however people throw just as much money into that arena as they do gaming.

Anything 'can' be a job. I think the root of the issue is whether the content creator is in it for the passion or for the money. If it's for the passion and they dedicate lots of time to creating quality content, then like the quality content you see on TV or in the movies, they should get something out of it. The guys in it just for the money usually just throw some stuff together to have something for the sake of trying to make a dollar.

Look at the bigger groups like "Geek & Sundry". They create content on a level I consider even higher than television. They work full time to create awesome entertainment, and they don't directly charge for it.(to my knowledge) How can you not call those jobs for the people involved? They make their paychecks off of advertising and donations. At the end of the day they give you great entertainment without hitting their viewers pockets directly. It's nothing new, just a different form of payment.

I think the big problem is that they allow anyone with practically any content to monetize now. It does hurt the communities like we used to have, but that is part of youtubes commercialization, not necessarily the people involved. I don't monetize on my eSkilliam channel, but I'm about to start up a tutorial channel that will provide (hopefully) valuable content for graphic designers in training. I am going to monetize so I can get a few dollars here and there for my knowledge and time. I don't see anything wrong with being an entrepreneur in that manner.


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You hit the core of what bothers me there that I didn't touch on before. Passion and Sincerity. I'd rather the gaming community be nothing but Vlog style vids in 240p where no one expects anything other than social interaction over a common interest.

Instead it seems like people's passion is only fueled so far as they get paid accordingly. It seems coincidental that so many people's frequency of videos has dropped too when they feel they are not compensated enough. Or they change to easier vids to make like Let's plays that will make them more money.

One of my personal favorite YouTube channels was CBG19. She runs primarily a channel about comic related content. She use to make super high quality vids on a super frequent basis 2 years ago. Then she ran a kickstarter to raise over like 10K to fund making the channel even better. I think she ended up making like 20-40K off that kickstarter if I remember right then she mysteriously only put out video's at like 1/4 the frequency. Where'd THAT money go?

That's just one story but many others are like it. The whole ordeal is just suspicious and eyebrow raising to me. Basically I just don't trust people's intentions here. Do it because it's a passionate hobby....not because it could possibly be an easy buck.
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I don't think anyone likes watching ads when they are followed by crap, but good genuine content should afford some form of compensation. Youtube makes it possible for people like MJR to make great, quality, passionate content and get a few bucks on the other end. However, it also makes it possible for me to upload a video of my dog pissing and try to pry money out of viewers to see it. I say pay the guys that are worthy, and just don't watch the rest.


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I don't think it is wrong at all to use AdBlock. We are bombarded by ads in every medium and, increasingly, every public space, and we have a right to block them in our homes while we can. I would not have so much of a problem if the ads on YouTube were in some way related to the video that I am watching, but I refuse to sit through ads for products that I would never buy and in which I have no interest. It is nothing against the content creators. As someone mentioned above, I can donate to them (and have donated to them) directly if want to show my appreciation for their work. My policy on my own channel is this: I don't let monetization dictate what I want to make. I make the videos that I find interesting and monetize only when I can (vlogs, collection videos, etc.). If people like my channel and want to "donate" something, they can sit through an ad and click on something. If they don't, that's fine. I think YouTubers have a right to make money, but I think their content is cheapened when they whine on and on about their ad revenue, Patreon, Kickstarter, t-shirts, etc.

As far as Nintendo, they should see YT as free advertising and stop trying to gouge a few cents away from their most passionate fans. It is sickening that they are operating in this way and I have no problem in channels boycotting them. Maybe, in the long run, such action can force them to change their position.
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I actually just cringed IRL at that. Eww dude. Seriously.

MJR - You know I got mad love for you, one of the few people along with LGR that frequently pay homage to the PC old skool. But some creators are trying to take the mickey now. Recently had Barnacles just run a full video as an ad for a custom computer shop. A 30 minute advert. That he monetized, and put in 9 referral links in the description box, AND patreoned it. This has become the norm, and it's only gunna get worse. But, this leads me onto the second point. As long as the crowds are composed of kids like ZRPG who are too eager to please the almighty creators - it'll keep on getting more intrusive, until the bubble bursts in a spectacular fashion.





Hahahaha, great argument. No really, you always are very good at finding a way to demean a person or people affiliated with something, huh. I was not saying "thank you," because he is a YouTuber but because the statement needed to be said by anyone. If you're paying willingly for other forms of entertainment, and watch YouTube videos almost if not as much as those forms, then it only makes sense that the creators be rewarded for their effort. ESPECIALLY when you aren't paying anything out of your own pocket. It's a ridiculous argument that you are "wasting your time" by watching 30-second-max ads before some videos. You've already made a commitment to click on a video to watch it, probably out of support. Just follow through with it then.

Additionally: Never seen a more condescending attitude for someone posting on a forum centered around video games.
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Mar 8 2015, 11:29 PM
Hahahaha, great argument. No really, you always are very good at finding a way to demean a person or people affiliated with something, huh. I was not saying "thank you," because he is a YouTuber but because the statement needed to be said by anyone. If you're paying willingly for other forms of entertainment, and watch YouTube videos almost if not as much as those forms, then it only makes sense that the creators be rewarded for their effort. ESPECIALLY when you aren't paying anything out of your own pocket. It's a ridiculous argument that you are "wasting your time" by watching 30-second-max ads before some videos. You've already made a commitment to click on a video to watch it, probably out of support. Just follow through with it then.

Additionally: Never seen a more condescending attitude for someone posting on a forum centered around video games.
Thank you.



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I know I've already commented on this subject, but I can definitely see both sides here.

I don't think people should be on youtube trying to earn money quick by hoping to put out enough viewer catching videos that they'll eventually get enough views.

On the other hand, I do watch youtube as a form of entertainment, and certain channels I watch regularly, even more regularly than I watch tv shows. While tv shows are 95% of the time better made, they aren't always 95% of the time more entertaining to me than a youtube channel focused on something specific I find interest in. There is no ad block for watching tv which I watch for entertainment, just as I watch youtube for entertainment.

In the end, if someone is making engrossing enough content that I find myself watching it every day, or every other day, then I don't mind them making money off of it. Either they get the money for a publisher, broadcasting company, author, or musician get the money for entertaining me. I don't care who gets the money, especially when I'm not paying for it directly with my own money, and if it's something that entertains me enough.
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Recently had Barnacles just run a full video as an ad for a custom computer shop. A 30 minute advert.
I get emails literally DAILY now from people asking me what SNES games they should get, what MAME arcade software to use, what console switches to buy for HDTVs, etc... And I'm sure it's the same with Barnacles.

I know Jerry personally and he is one of the smartest and most upstanding dudes I know... and his motivation here is to recommend a PC setup that is of quality to his viewers. Same thing he does with monitors, 3D Printers, keyboards, etc..

People could find similar information by googling or posting in a forum, but 300,000 subscribers wanna know what JERRY thinks. I believe his intentions were pure, and if he wants to make a small percentage of the sales on the side from a product he fully supports, why not? As long as he is upfront about that.
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I was not saying "thank you," because he is a YouTuber but because the statement needed to be said by anyone
BTW: Thanks for the support. I really do appreciate it.

All too often, people are wiling to immediately jump to the sharky and negative comments, when in reality staying positive is way more difficult on the internet. Thanks buddy! :)
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Maybe that's why I don't see it that way because I dropped cable, don't consume YouTube as much as netflix, and Netflix has no commercials and has high quality shows like House of Cards. I agree with strata master that most people I use to watch feels more streamlined towards views rather than passion imo.

I also don't think most channels are worth it personally. Johns Arcade and HappyConsoleGamer are what I'd donate towards. Vlogs about pickups and top 10 lists are a dime a dozen and aren't exactly comparable to something like I find on Netflix. Also how many netflix accounts do you have where it's costing you $20-30 a month?
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Recently had Barnacles just run a full video as an ad for a custom computer shop. A 30 minute advert.
I get emails literally DAILY now from people asking me what SNES games they should get, what MAME arcade software to use, what console switches to buy for HDTVs, etc... And I'm sure it's the same with Barnacles.

I know Jerry personally and he is one of the smartest and most upstanding dudes I know... and his motivation here is to recommend a PC setup that is of quality to his viewers. Same thing he does with monitors, 3D Printers, keyboards, etc..

People could find similar information by googling or posting in a forum, but 300,000 subscribers wanna know what JERRY thinks. I believe his intentions were pure, and if he wants to make a small percentage of the sales on the side from a product he fully supports, why not? As long as he is upfront about that.
Please. Don't take it personally.

You only need to look at his personal vlogs regarding his son, and you'll see the insane depth of Jerrys character. Dude is a shining example of what a dad should be.

That said, His ads on an ad video, bookended with further ads was just too much.

Same with you bro. I offered up constructive criticism on your 40 xbox games vid, and the legion of brodudes who leapt to your defence was insane. Its never personal. Please dont take it as such.
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I offered up constructive criticism on your 40 xbox games vid, and the legion of brodudes who leapt to your defence was insane.
Was that you who made that comment? I remember that cuz on a video series that got 140,000 views & over 1200 comments.. you were one of the few people to bring that up.

No worries dude. I took it all in stride.
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1) Anybody who has as many subscribers as I do doesn't consider creating YouTube videos just a hobby. You can't because there is just so much work involved. You might get lucky with one viral video and get some subs...that typically isn't sustainable and long term. Instead, I work almost a full time job each week creating my videos to the level I want and my subscribers expect. It's typically the YouTube channels stuck at 10,000 subs who are treating it like a Hobby in my experience. Nothing wrong with 10,000 subs...but most people create videos to be SEEN and appreciated.

I can't help but detect a bit of condescension here. On the one hand, I agree that making videos is a lot of work, and making well-produced videos is an even larger time commitment. But why suggest that those who treat it as a hobby are somehow doomed to the minor leagues of YouTube? The best creators/videos are those who communicate a passion for the hobby. For me, the prime examples are HCG, TotalBiscuit, spida1a, Pete, and RPGSwagman. Obviously, they all have widely varying levels of success, but they are all equally passionate in their own way. And the problem for them, in my opinion, is not a ceiling to success, but rather a problem of discovery. More gamers should watch all of them, regardless of their sub counts.


The problem with a heavy focus on monetization, however, is that it tends to drive a lot of creators towards a very standardized kind of content: short, superficial, but well-produced videos steeped in the same humor, same themes, and same memes, but increasingly lacking in any kind of real insight on the hobby. Rather than celebrating and preserving the history of gaming, the mentality seems to be on cultivating a community for the sake of building an asset-a block of attention that can be traded for YouTube's paltry ad payouts, preferential treatment from developers, and all kinds of donations. And at that point, the content-gaming itself- tends to become secondary.
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This is a good topic...and one I have a few opinions about (no surprise)

1) Anybody who has as many subscribers as I do doesn't consider creating YouTube videos just a hobby. You can't because there is just so much work involved. You might get lucky with one viral video and get some subs...that typically isn't sustainable and long term. Instead, I work almost a full time job each week creating my videos to the level I want and my subscribers expect. It's typically the YouTube channels stuck at 10,000 subs who are treating it like a Hobby in my experience. Nothing wrong with 10,000 subs...but most people create videos to be SEEN and appreciated.

Basically, I'm guessing this is the typical Youtubers' mentality:

The money is too green at 100k than 10k, so I have to up the quality of my videos in order to make money that I wouldn't care for at 10k, because 10k is too little to really take seriously.

I'm not saying money is an evil, Youtubers should take advantage of the opportunity if their audience permits them to do so. Hell, I'd be all over making money if I saw a opportunity to do so in this medioum. But honestly, there's nothing intrinsically making most big time youtubers from making whatever video they want, with whatever amount of effort they want, whenever they want- besides moneydollarbills.
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I made a video about this topic about 2 and half years ago. I miss the old school days of youtube gaming community when it was the 240p cliche gaming videos because it sparked real discussion and sense of community among the PEOPLE. And by people, I mean the everyday Joe who played games. Why? Because we were all equals in terms of video quality and content. NOW, once everybody realized they could make money off of youtube here comes former game developers, people with experience in the industry, and audio engineers trying to make a buck because they have the tools, knowledge, and experience to make high quality videos and capitalize on the consumers. No longer popular is MagusX1 (2008 if your oldschool) making videos he filmed with a potato, although he had great content. Now, its someone who has previous editing background who makes fancy transitions, with silly music, and acts like a goof with his buddies with occasional game content thrown in, who can't manifest why he likes Super Mario 64 other than "it's a fantastic game." Youtube is no longer a fun user created site where the normal guy can get his stuff seen. It's now a Google subsidiary taken over by media corporations and inspiring entrepreneurs for capitalization.

One of the reasons why I liked PeteDorr's videos from the start (and still do), is because he is the quintessential every gamer's gamer, as cliche as it might seem. He wasn't a former game industry member etc. etc. He was the geekiest of geekiest and you can tell he simply loves games...exceedingly. People like Smosh seen it as a way to capitalize. Period.

I use adblock as it comes with an extension I found to be able to remove already watched videos from my subs box. I DO NOT owe you monetization for all the hard work you put into a video. I have already given you what was important, which is a view, interaction, and discussion which is what people ask for in their videos. I do not owe you money on your Patreon, I do not need to buy your shirts, I do not need to send free games to your PO Box so that you can do a 30 minute video showing what people handed out to you in hopes of a shout-out or to appease their youtube idols.

I challenge content creators with a large fan base to make non skippable ads (pre-mid-and post), or better yet make paid subscriptions (a content creator's dream but who would pay for it?) and see who will stick around. And once the money quits coming see which creators stick around. If I had to sit through a 4 minute ad to see a 3 minute video I would not watch and I can bet that popular youtubers would not sit around to watch an ad that long either. The point is, is that nobody likes commercials or ads and the only time it's "not so bad" is when you want people to watch your own.

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Mar 8 2015, 12:39 PM

1) Anybody who has as many subscribers as I do doesn't consider creating YouTube videos just a hobby. You can't because there is just so much work involved. You might get lucky with one viral video and get some subs...that typically isn't sustainable and long term. Instead, I work almost a full time job each week creating my videos to the level I want and my subscribers expect. It's typically the YouTube channels stuck at 10,000 subs who are treating it like a Hobby in my experience. Nothing wrong with 10,000 subs...but most people create videos to be SEEN and appreciated.

I can't help but detect a bit of condescension here. On the one hand, I agree that making videos is a lot of work, and making well-produced videos is an even larger time commitment. But why suggest that those who treat it as a hobby are somehow doomed to the minor leagues of YouTube? The best creators/videos are those who communicate a passion for the hobby. For me, the prime examples are HCG, TotalBiscuit, spida1a, Pete, and RPGSwagman. Obviously, they all have widely varying levels of success, but they are all equally passionate in their own way. And the problem for them, in my opinion, is not a ceiling to success, but rather a problem of discovery. More gamers should watch all of them, regardless of their sub counts.


The problem with a heavy focus on monetization, however, is that it tends to drive a lot of creators towards a very standardized kind of content: short, superficial, but well-produced videos steeped in the same humor, same themes, and same memes, but increasingly lacking in any kind of real insight on the hobby. Rather than celebrating and preserving the history of gaming, the mentality seems to be on cultivating a community for the sake of building an asset-a block of attention that can be traded for YouTube's paltry ad payouts, preferential treatment from developers, and all kinds of donations. And at that point, the content-gaming itself- tends to become secondary.
Boy, does this about sum up how I feel. Precisely.
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I made a video about this topic about 2 and half years ago. I miss the old school days of youtube gaming community when it was the 240p cliche gaming videos because it sparked real discussion and sense of community among the PEOPLE. And by people, I mean the everyday Joe who played games. Why? Because we were all equals in terms of video quality and content. NOW, once everybody realized they could make money off of youtube here comes former game developers, people with experience in the industry, and audio engineers trying to make a buck because they have the tools, knowledge, and experience to make high quality videos and capitalize on the consumers. No longer popular is MagusX1 making videos he filmed with a potato, although he had great content. Now, its someone who has previous editing background who makes fancy transitions, with silly music, and acts like a goof with his buddies with occasional gaming content thrown in. Youtube is no longer a fun user created site where the normal guy can get his stuff seen. It's now a Google subsidiary taken over by media corporations and inspiring entrepreneurs for capitalization.

One of the reasons why I liked PeteDorr's videos from the start (and still do), is because he is the quintessential every gamer's gamer, as cliche as it might seem. He wasn't a former game industry member etc. etc. He was the geekiest of geekiest and you can tell he simply loves games...exceedingly. People like Smosh seen it as a way to capitalize. Period.

I use adblock as it comes with an extension I found to be able to remove already watched videos from my subs box. I DO NOT owe you monetization for all the hard work you put into a video. I have already given you what was important, which is a view, interaction, and discussion which is what people ask for in their videos. I do not owe you money on your Patreon, I do not need to buy your shirts, I do not need to send free games to your PO Box so that you can do a 30 minute video showing what people handed out to you in hopes of a shout-out or to appease their youtube idols.

I challenge content creators with a large fan base to disable ads, make non skippable ads (pre-mid-and post), or better yet make paid subscriptions (a content creator's dream but who would pay for it?) and see who will stick around. And once the money quits coming see which creators stick around. If I had to sit through a 4 minute add to see a 3 minute video I would not watch and I can bet that popular youtubers would not sit around to watch an ad that long either. The point is, is that nobody likes commercials or ads and the only time it's "not so bad" is when you want people to watch your own.

*This video is not toward anybody in particular.
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