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| NinjaPenguin8969 | Feb 24 2015, 12:27 AM Post #1 |
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It seems like the Youtube gaming community is heavily involved with ad-sense for the past year or two. I keep seeing videos about how adblock hurts content creators, and how Nintendo is anti-gamer for being finicky regarding letting people make money off their video games. I don't know, I like adblock since I don't get viruses anywhere near as much as I use to since installing it, and I don't see how not being able to make money off of hobby videos makes a company anti-gamer tbh. Boycott Nintendo because they're anti-gamer by not letting me be able to monetize just seems ridiculous to me. Quite frankly I'm rather sick of hearing about monetization since it just makes it feel like a bunch of people I use to watch are sell outs at this point. If someone makes content I really like such as John's Arcade I'll donate every now and then since he doesn't cram the making money portion down my throat and uses it to noticeably improve his content. Just seems more genuine overall like it used to be. That's just me though, what do you guys think? :] |
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| Tr3vor | Mar 9 2015, 10:13 PM Post #51 |
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I don't care for the early Youtube mentality. It was just a bunch of boring content that I could have more fun looking at on a forum. Also, potato cameras should be fried and eaten. get a better camera. I go on youtube when I'm bored, and am looking to be entertained, it does its job very well. |
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| MidiPour | Mar 9 2015, 10:22 PM Post #52 |
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Man, everytime you guys nostalgia hard over Youtube circa 2008, I'm just scratching my head because I was there with you guys watching those, but moved away from it. I think it's because there were many people saturating Youtube with similar videos that it was beginning to get hard figuring who's top 10 video I gave a crap about. I think unlike then, youtube has matured with less amateurs and more charismatic people, which is why I'm not against Youtubers making a living off of the medium. I get there's much to be had listening to an intellectual passionate about a hobby enlightening you, but I'm happy we moved away from the grain-y videos, background noise and monotone voices with people who completely oblivious as to what they were doing turning on that camera. And I totally agree with eSkilliam's logic here:
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| XxKomebackKidxX | Mar 9 2015, 10:32 PM Post #53 |
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I do enjoy the quality today over yester-year but find it hard to find someone who can explain why they like games concisely and genuinely. I guess I just found that more back in the day. A happy medium would be the best fit though. |
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| stratamaster78 | Mar 9 2015, 10:52 PM Post #54 |
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I liked the down to earth conversational feel to the early days of YouTube. I looked at it as social interaction as much or more than entertainment. Just be real. Unfortunately in the efforts to become more successful/popular the organic nature of channels has been replaced with an over the top 'I've really gotta be charasmatic! and you should be on the ground floor supporting me' (w/money)pitch man feel. I don't agree with the Pro Sports analogy. Successful Youtubers would be more akin to High School or Collegiate athletes at the most.. Who play for free basically btw(Other than a scholarship) and play for love of the game with the hopes of making it to the pro level. Not many if any at all of the single host gaming YouTube channels are TV quality. Not imo. I've never wanted or expected it to be that quality either. Edited by stratamaster78, Mar 9 2015, 10:55 PM.
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| eSkilliam | Mar 10 2015, 07:03 AM Post #55 |
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I will just state that I fully support monetization and the entire entrepreneurial standpoint and feel that those of lesser quality of content will be weeded out in time by people that speak with their time and or money. Just as I don't fuss about commercials on Pandora Radio or on television because I know that is how the hard working content creators get paid for their work. I have stated my opinion which I hold to strongly and will now gracefully bow out of the conversation to save myself from getting tied up in an argument. |
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| MetalJesus | Mar 10 2015, 07:26 AM Post #56 |
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It's disappointing to see you write this. I come into this conversation all positive and trying to have an open discussion with no hidden pretense...and you try and read something into it that isn't there. I don't know what it is about his Forum, but it happens a lot here... |
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| XxKomebackKidxX | Mar 10 2015, 09:35 AM Post #57 |
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I want to clarify I have no problem with monetizing content, I do it. I have more of a problem of people you can tell do this strictly as a job and they have no passion in the hobby. I also miss the sense of community and interaction. It's great to see your favorite channels grow but with this comes the sense of responsibility that those people must put out content regularly as if it is a job now, to appease their audience. With this expansion of views comes a shrinking of interaction with the viewer. Less comments back, less messaging, less video responses (as they don't exist exactly anymore) and less community videos as the creator just doesn't find them financially successful anymore. |
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| browland1 | Mar 10 2015, 11:04 AM Post #58 |
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This sums up my feelings perfectly. People who have the passion and drive to succeed will find support, and those who are just hoping to cash a paycheck will ultimately fade away. It’s sometimes hard to talk about monetization without pointing fingers or passing judgment, because money will always muddy the waters in the eyes of some. My attitude is that people have a choice to support the content creator, either passively by watching videos or directly by donating to their Patreon, buying their swag, etc. If you feel that their passion or quality of output suffers, you can make the choice to move on and not support them further. This applies to channels with 10 subscribers as much as it does 10,000 or even 1,000,000. Over the years, I’ve gotten to know many Youtubers and I’ve become more aware of the time sink that making videos can be. With the standards of video editing on the rise, someone can easily sink several dozen hours a week into making videos. If there is an opportunity to make money from it, you really can’t blame people for wanting to work harder for it, since it’s hard to stay motivated when your hard work reaps little payout. We live in the age where someone can feasibly make a living from Youtube, and we look at the big guys like PewDiePie, TotalBiscuit, Classic Game Room and Boogie2988 who are able to produce a full-time income from doing videos and streams. One can’t be blamed for aspiring to the same thing. As an aside, I’ve also noticed that some of our discussions lately have taken a negative turn and descended into bickering and in-fighting. Needlessly. Let’s keep this civil, we’re all friends here. |
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| NinjaPenguin8969 | Mar 10 2015, 12:08 PM Post #59 |
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Not for nothing but this is ridiculous. There really hasn't been negativity or in-fighting in this topic aside maybe one post from Andy. If MJR has an issue with what GameEscape wrote then just clarify rather than sighting "oh this forum is so negative". Look at the title of the topic...people are allowed to be on both sides and that's okay. There was nothing demeaning about what GameEscape wrote just his interpretation of text, and he agreed to an extent. Edited by NinjaPenguin8969, Mar 10 2015, 12:10 PM.
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| browland1 | Mar 10 2015, 12:10 PM Post #60 |
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I wasn't saying this topic alone, but in general. Maybe it's just my perception, but that's how it seems. But yes, I would never imply that it's wrong to take one side or another. There wouldn't be much discussion to be had if that's how we approached matters. |
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| MidiPour | Mar 10 2015, 12:43 PM Post #61 |
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I can partially see what you mean as it was definitely easier to communicate with a content creator back then as it wasn't nearly as flooded, and you were able to create response videos. Maybe the reason I sort of downplay this aspect as not being a big deal is because I very seldomly posted comments on Youtube as I was just more comfortable posting on a forum, and because I never got involved with making Youtube videos back then. I think where I don't agree is I feel I only knew so much about a person through a shorter than 10 minute video, and usually people kept it pretty short and to the point (Unless you were LukeMorse1). It left very little room to being conversational, even if the side-tangent would've been related. Also, alot of videos felt like it was people either trying to be AVGN or collecting as many games as they possibly could, and I recall really early on people were already mocking others for collecting games for the sake of collecting. Which is why there were alot of average joes going, "I got this game, and this game, and this game, never played them though." For me, it never felt down to earth until Youtube started being more flexible with time, and when the All Gen Gamers podcast happened. Which I've always thought that AGG was substantially more indicative of who the hosts were than their own individual content ever was. Nowadays we have editorials which are podcast-y in nature where people talk about topics for an extended period of time, and twitch streams that go on for hours with a person who exhibits all sorts of human emotions throughout that duration. As for the high/collegiate football analogy. I can see where you're going with that as many Youtubers aren't putting the production TV shows put. Some do, and we're seeing TV shows, movies and music videos pop up on the medium. I think mediums like online videos and streaming sites will eventually replace television channels entirely as that interface is becoming more and more obsolete. |
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| MidiPour | Mar 10 2015, 12:58 PM Post #62 |
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I hope no one thinks I'm angry. I just tend to respond to controversial things because I like debating with people. Andsy does get more carried away more than anyone else though. He could definitely make his point better by rationalizing how he feels instead of going in for insults. |
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| NinjaPenguin8969 | Mar 10 2015, 01:23 PM Post #63 |
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No, just post what you honestly think about the topic or people's responses. This whole "negative forum" bs cropping up again does not belong here when everyone aside one post has been civil which is why I brought that up. I think Andy is funny I just cited him since his post to ZRPG is the only post in this topic I could see interpreted as negative. |
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| stratamaster78 | Mar 10 2015, 01:46 PM Post #64 |
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Just to be clear about myself I'm not angry either or trying to bicker/fight or be overly negative or anything. I'm usually just a blunt person with how I convey opinions. I feel strongly about this topic so I'm not going to hem-haw around my opinion. But in general I think I've been respectful and civil. I'm not being cruel or personal or anything but just stating that I support AdBlock and I don't care for monetization on YouTube or Patreon/Kickstarter type 'e-begging'. I'm also fine with everyone having an opposing stance. I like and respect everyone here and am just voicing an opposing view to some. Edited by stratamaster78, Mar 10 2015, 01:51 PM.
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| browland1 | Mar 10 2015, 02:57 PM Post #65 |
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Fair enough, I wasn't calling out anyone in particular or trying to instigate anything. Just a vibe I've been getting as of late, but I could be wrong. Edited by browland1, Mar 10 2015, 02:57 PM.
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| NinjaPenguin8969 | Mar 10 2015, 03:05 PM Post #66 |
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It wasn't just you Ben. I was quoting you and MJR. It's all good though let's not beat a dead horse here.. I just want a discussion free from having to be worried how someone comes off. If everyone is just politically correct as to appease people with loose skin then there's no point. |
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| AndsyRR | Mar 10 2015, 03:23 PM Post #67 |
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Fuck, this is retarded. "Andsy does get more carried away more than anyone else though. He could definitely make his point better by rationalizing how he feels instead of going in for insults." Bottom line - I felt like some parties were being so utterly dismissive, that I just felt like chucking out some dumb shit response. If my post isn't gunna be read, might as well have some fun with it. Right? Edited by AndsyRR, Mar 10 2015, 03:25 PM.
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| GameEscape | Mar 10 2015, 09:31 PM Post #68 |
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No malice was intended. I was merely offering my interpretation of what you said. There is a difference between open discussion and negativity, and I feel I was just offering a different perspective on the matter. |
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| CronoLink9 | Mar 11 2015, 04:18 AM Post #69 |
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Just to comment on the suggestion of an increased amount of negativity, I don't see it. I just see people being honest, and like others said, the only thing that could be interpreted as negative was Andsy calling out ZRPG. Everyone on this forum is pretty civil; the only shit-slinging that I can think of was over the summer, but we won't get into that here. Back on topic, I use AdBlock. It makes the computer a lot more secure and annoying pop ups and ads on sidebars are gone. Hooray! In my perspective, it's not my responsibility to make anyone's living on YouTube. It's great that they do do that at times, and I don't have a problem with people monetizing their videos, setting up Patreons, etc. as long as they're not really in your face about it, like I've seen some people and channels be. They might not think it, but it gives off the really wrong impression and honestly turns me off a little bit, even when I know their intentions may not be all that bad. It may seem like a lame justification, but honestly, I don't like my time being wasted. I don't go on YouTube to be advertised to unless I want to be advertised to (watching a trailer or something). I feel like I'm wasting anywhere between 5 and 30 seconds of my time if I'm doing that--there's a lot to see on the Internet, and again I don't go on it to get advertised to unless on a whim I do. I go on it to watch content like GameGrumps and various other community members' stuff like HappyConsoleGamer and MetalJesus and a load of others like PeanutButterGamer, JonTron, ashens, etc. Ads are awful on TV, and I don't want YouTube to be like TV, even if it's only for a few seconds; I want to watch stuff when I want to watch it, not waste any of my time. I like have at least some mediums that don't have ads (Netflix is another). Think about it this way...with the time I spend having to watch ads over a stretch of time, I could've watched a bunch more videos. That time, believe it or not, actually racks up. This may seem like a lame justification, but I don't really care, TBH. That's just my reasoning for it. However, Midi's admission to donating actually has given me thought to do the same with a few channels at some point, because I feel like that's a more reliable way to show them that I support them. That being said, I have been watching the majority of my YouTube recently via Apple TV, and I have to watch ads every few videos or so...but that's just a sacrifice I make to watch it on a big screen. If it was up to me, I would totally have AdBlock on there; it's one of the reasons Hulu is not as appealing as Netflix. |
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| HeavyMetalGamer | Mar 14 2015, 02:18 PM Post #70 |
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After reading through all of this, and doing some thinking, a lot of people on both sides make great points. At the end of the day, if people don't like a Youtuber, why are you even watching in the first place? If you are against them getting revenue, and you hate what they do, why are you spending your time watching them? Now like I said earlier in this, is it that hard to turn off adblock when you watch Youtubers you like? I mean it takes less then 10 seconds for me to turn off ad block, and if a channels runs an ad, I simply either wait until it's over, maybe check my phone for a message, look outside for a moment, and then focus my attention when the video starts. For channels I like, and I am subscribed too, I don't mind supporting them by them getting some revenue. When it comes to channels I don't like, I simply don't watch, I don't even go to their channel. It's that simple, but it seems some people are so gung-ho about focusing more on channels they hate, then the channels they like. I know that feeling, because I use to be that way, hell I use to hate the fuck out of PewDiePie, now? I don't hate him, I just don't like his content, and I simply won't watch. Now as for e-beggers, there are people out there that are slimey little fuckheads, but at the end fo the day, why support them? why even care what they do? Thankfully, nobody that I watch or subscribe to (quite a few channels) and nobody here at this forum, that I know of, are e-beggers, etc. I enjoy MJR's content, I enjoy Gamester81, Jason Heine, PeteDorr and other's content that gets posted. At the end of the day, I think shutting the Ad-Block off for those you support is a good thing. I understand why people use ad-block on other sites, but it doesn't hurt to turn it off, until you are done watching content of those that you like. Either way, those of you that do content here, keep doing what you, and keep kicking ass, if it's doing videos, podcasts, etc. |
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