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Nintendo NX?
Topic Started: Apr 2 2015, 04:03 PM (922 Views)
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What do you expect this could be? I am thinking it could be the long rumored "portable console." A system that can be used as a handheld on the go and also plugged in to the TV when at home.

Any other ideas of what we could possibly see?
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Nintendo has kind of put themselves in a difficult position. If they just do something on par with ps4 and XboxOne now they are late to the party and why are people going to buy the Call of Duties and such on that over the other 2. Personally I am very happy with my WiiU I think it has a good catalog of game but I am also OK with buying a console just to play Nintendo games. I can understand why others would not be. Then there is the question of how long this gen will be. If it goes for 8 year like the last gen or even a little longer like 10 then they are OK. If Sony and Microsoft decide to make it 5 years again, then they are right back where they started. There is also the question of custom confidence, how OK are people going to be if Nintendo jumps ship halfway through a console generation.

Well I like the idea of the hybrid thing I think there are some inherent problem with it too. Assuming that we will be having a system that would be more or less on par with the WiiU, what kind of media will we be putting these games on? Think about how many mulita DVD games are on the 360. I am also assuming that all games are going to work on the console part and the handheld part. I am of the belief that even if you can technically did it there are some games that you shouldn’t do on a handheld. Look at Kid Icarus: Uprising (although I don’t think that is as bad as many others).

Part of me think it will just end up being a new handheld.
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I really have no idea what they'll release next, but I know I will buy it once Zelda appears. Just the way it works for me lol. Just sucks I would like my Wii U to be around and supported as long as it's abysmal predecessor, but I do realize it's not selling that well compared to the competition.

Also better graphics please. Make it more powerful than an Xbox One at least.
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I'm guessing it might be something along those lines, something that can be a console with portable capabilities. I'm also guessing this might be a digital only service sadly, as that seems to be the direction things are heading in. Something where you can buy and download games on the go, and maybe not get full fledged brand new first party titles. I'm hoping this isn't the case as I can't stand digital content, and I'd be really disappointed if this is how the next iteration of a Nintendo handheld will be.
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Just wanted to bring this up again guys, I almost forgot it myself for a while.

I personally see no need for a new Nintendo console anytime soon. I am super satisfied with my Wii U and 3DS as they stand by themselves, Both systems have been right up my alley. Yes, they still made some awful decision infrastructure-wise, from the sub-par matchmaking systems to the countless missed opportunities online, but I just don't see a need for a new console. All I know is that if they do make a full-fledged new system then it damn well better be leaps and bounds better than what we have now, like a significant improvement worthy of a surely costly purchase.
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May 11 2015, 06:12 PM
It's still sounding like we'll hear some details in 2016, which certainly isn't too far off. Still too soon imo.
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Gimme a home console I can play DS games on, that is all I want from them. I struggle to get into handheld games, yet Nintendos proper home consoles have been coming up short since the SNES, for me at least.

It's a pain in the ass when all the smaller awesome games are left to the portable market, luckily this has seen a big turn in the last few years, but it is still quite common for big games like Monster Hunter to be mainly focused on Portable platforms for no good reason.
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May 12 2015, 03:02 PM
Gimme a home console I can play DS games on, that is all I want from them. I struggle to get into handheld games, yet Nintendos proper home consoles have been coming up short since the SNES, for me at least.

It's a pain in the ass when all the smaller awesome games are left to the portable market, luckily this has seen a big turn in the last few years, but it is still quite common for big games like Monster Hunter to be mainly focused on Portable platforms for no good reason.
I too would love to see Nintendo make something to play DS games on the TV.
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Gimme a home console I can play DS games on, that is all I want from them. I struggle to get into handheld games, yet Nintendos proper home consoles have been coming up short since the SNES, for me at least.

It's a pain in the ass when all the smaller awesome games are left to the portable market, luckily this has seen a big turn in the last few years, but it is still quite common for big games like Monster Hunter to be mainly focused on Portable platforms for no good reason.
I too would love to see Nintendo make something to play DS games on the TV.
This would eliminate the need for DS capture cards if you want to record some gameplay, which are risky to install and cost quite a bit. I'd be pretty disappointed if the NX was a new console. The WiiU kicks complete ass. Make a Metroid game with a collectors edition Ridley statue. And make enough so I can buy one. Nao.
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You do have to consider that even though Sony and Microsoft announced their current gen consoles at the same years’ E3 that they launched the system, Nintendo was still doing the introduce the console at the E3 the year before it comes out and then give more info at the next E3. So if they do announce it in 2016 we may not see it until 2017. If it is a new handheld, the 3DS came up in early 2011 almost 2010. That would be a good life cycle. If it is a console, the WiiU would have 5 years. How good or bad that would be I feel will heavily way on how Microsoft and Sony see this gen going. If it is a hybrid thingamobobber, Nintendo probably wants to get rid of the WiiU sooner rather than later and they could probably pitch that better as a mid-gen release then just doing a console replacement.

Personally, they made this announcement the same time they made the mobile gaming announcement. It feels like they are just trying to give consumers confidence that they didn't abandon their current model, they are just adding something new to it. I am assuming that Sony and Microsoft are also working at a next gen console right now.

Note: I want Nintendo to name their next console the Nintendo Thingamobobber.
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May 12 2015, 04:17 PM
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Gimme a home console I can play DS games on, that is all I want from them. I struggle to get into handheld games, yet Nintendos proper home consoles have been coming up short since the SNES, for me at least.

It's a pain in the ass when all the smaller awesome games are left to the portable market, luckily this has seen a big turn in the last few years, but it is still quite common for big games like Monster Hunter to be mainly focused on Portable platforms for no good reason.
I too would love to see Nintendo make something to play DS games on the TV.
There are a lot of awesome looking titles for the DS that i will just never play on an actual handheld, it's like a whole library of 16-bit games that i just can't fully enjoy unfortunately. I mean, i can get all my GBA games on the big screen with the Gamecube GBA adapter...but i wan't the DS stuff too!

Talk about printing money...I'd snap up a Wii U in a second if it had some DS adapter for it. :-/

I could just emulate it, of course. I'd really prefer to have an actual device for it though.
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I wanted to dig this topic up because there has been some more rumors flying around and I want to hear everyone take on it.

The first rumor is that it has an Android OS. At first I just dismissed this but after I thought about it, it feels like it make a lot of since. I am not saying I want a full on Android OS but if the the cord was Android and the front end was its on thing, that could be a good move for a portable system. All of those android games that could be a lot better with a button or 2 are suddenly very easily ported to the next Nintendo system. I am assuming that in some way this is going to be a portable system.

Next is that it would be coming out in the summer of next year (basicly a year from now or a little less). Well I don't see it coming out in the summer, sometime next year is very possible. What I will say about this is I do think Nintendo has learned from the WiiU and 3DS about have a line-up for the first year of a consoles life. As much as Nintendo has put themselves at a disadvantage by having a less powerful console for the lasting 2 gens, they can take advances of one thing. At the moment they are not in some kind of race with Microsoft or Sony on releasing hardware, that time has passed. They would be much better off waiting a little if needed to have a solid first 6-8 mouth than to rush just to get the hardware out to market. Try to keep the momentum of the launch going.

If the successor to the WiiU does come out next year I wouldn't be so disappointed in the lifespan of the WiiU. Well I can't say I have a lot of WiiU games the ones I do have I really like and I think Nintendo has made several games that can compete with the very best in the whole catalog. That being said, if the WiiUs successor does come out next year I do think Zelda will be on it. It may be on the WiiU as well but not having an exclusive Zelda title on it is kind of a big hit for me.
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Apr 2 2015, 04:03 PM
What do you expect this could be?
A disappointment.
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There is no reason other than shareholder pandering for a new sku why they need to make a new console, it baffles me why they are going to try. If it is x86 or arm it will be just another device in a sea of devices. If it is exotic, maybe even another PowerPC, then it's just another Wii U. The current device is good enuff if they just dial in good artwork and less realism and they won't end up pissing me and every early adopter waiting for core games still to come to the U.
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I guess I disagree that there is no reason for a new console or that the hardware is good enough.

The WiiU is a failure. We are past the point of, “O Nintendo can still turn this around”. We might even be past the point of Nintendo being able to turn this into something that isn’t necessarily successful but they can at least limp a lot for a few years. I am not going to say that I wouldn't like another year or 2 with the WiiU but I would much rather have Nintendo working on something that has a chance to be successful then something that is already a failure. I know there is a group of people out there that would like Nintendo to just make game for Sony and Microsoft and stop making hardware, I am not one of them I think 3 is a good number for competition. Also as I said before, I am happy with both the quality and quantity of the games Nintendo themselves have put out for the WiiU.

The specs of the WiiU are literally last gen tech, they are not “good enough”. There are definitively other reason why the WiiU is having trouble getting 3rd party support but the specs simply taking it out of the running most of the time. The Witcher 3 can't be done on the WiiU, Battlefront 3 can't be done on the WiiU, etc. If you make a game for the WiiU it is going to be an exclusive and 3rd party exclusives are kind of a thing of the past.
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I agree Wii U is a failure. At least it's an abject market failure. It is also a console with an small but outstanding library according to critics. I suppose I cannot argue that point since I do own like 19 games on it myself. I think you are extremely naive thinking Nintendo will ever seriously court 3rd party AAA titles.

So if you really think Nintendo needs a new SKU then lets go.

I will make one statement I challenge you to refute: If Nintendo keep the same CPU tech in the Wii U in the NX you will never see a 3rd party materialize on the NX. I don't care if they somehow get it to 8 cores at 2 ghz each, which they probably won't, you just won't see good ports come to the device. By the time the NX is out there probably won't be a single cross gen game which means you will find it likely that their will be a compiler path for new games for PowerPC.

So what kind of console can share an ecosystem with mobile. Arm. But let us look at some timelines here:

1) Their biggest channel partners don't have tech ready.

AMD doesn't have their 64bit Arm chips ready unless they cannibalize the server based Opteron A1100. The AMD chip you want is the K12 which isn't ready. So if AMD is actually in secret making a Nintendo Arm APU chip you are looking at Dev kits going out in about a year. Dev kits will probably be Vanilla Arm cpu's on PC looking mobos with an AMD R7 series GPU in a PCI-E slot. Making a custom APU at this time before the new Zen and K12 is ready is very, very risky for AMD.

Nvidia has the Tegra X1 out now, but it has less memory bandwidth than the Wii U...

2) Unreal 4 games are just now being pushed on Arm in the dev community

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3) There are only a handful of AAA Unreal 4 games being made at this time.

Tekken 7 and Kingdom Hearts 3 are the biggest games that would be a great fit on the console. The others... not so much.

4) Unity 6 probably won't be out until around the time the NX is supposed to come out. If you look at the Unity 5 road map there are some big changes coming up that will benefit the Wii U by proxy of general optimizations like Fixed Function Shaders and better multi-threading.

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The best case scenario hardware wise for Ninty is an AMD-based version of the Nividia Android TV. Unfortunately until we get a lot of Unreal 4 engine games you are going to see a mediocre third party showing just like Nvidia: Nvidia cannot even get AAA

The other hurdle is to get Frostbite 3 onto Arm without completely using the Frostbite Go variant. If not, we may once again see piss poor ports of EA games on one console and not another. While I actually liked Mass Effect 3 on the Wii U, I truly did, it was handled like a soup bowl in a homeless shelter. No DLC and empty online cause they didn't feel the need to lower the cost of the game and market it at launch very well. What you want here is a Frostbite 3+ engine with the ability to compile to an Arm APU not a mobile device.

I see potential in such a device, just not any time soon. I don't want them to settle on something like they did with the Wii U. Let their channel partners finish their roadmaps. Let the CPU's and GPU's get to 16nm FinFet so they use even less power or can cram a ton of performance in a small package making it cheaper. Until then, I'll kindly take more Wii U games.

I am afraid that any product they push out in the next year is going to be a mobile device that is not going to have the kinks worked out. That is going to be the foundation for the console version. I don't want the hype of people wanting to toss out the Wii U and shoot and bury it out back, to not put their money where their mouth is. This generation of Nintendo serves one thing... to prove the Wii was a fluke. It is the gaming Unicorn and Nintendo doesn't actually have enough fans to carry an expensive console market. And I just don't know if there is tech ready for a cheap replacement. And if its not cheap... why bother.
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I hope we still get Zelda on Wii U and it doesn't go just to this new system :[

I'm glad Yoshi and Fatal Frame are this month because I've pretty much run out of games I want for the Wii U at this point. Weird problem to have but I just don't see anything else for this system I actually want even though it's the smallest collection I have. Wonderful 101 seems to be the only praised game I'm missing but I didn't really like the demo.
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I hope we still get Zelda on Wii U and it doesn't go just to this new system :[

I'm glad Yoshi and Fatal Frame are this month because I've pretty much run out of games I want for the Wii U at this point. Weird problem to have but I just don't see anything else for this system I actually want even though it's the smallest collection I have. Wonderful 101 seems to be the only praised game I'm missing but I didn't really like the demo.
The new Zelda looks badass. When are they supposed to reveal the NX? I thought around spring but do they even know is the question.

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